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Home -> Community -> Mailing Lists -> Oracle-L -> Re: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
If I've offended anyone, they have my most sincere appology. However, I think you have interpreted this wrong. I have never said or implied, nor do I remember seeing anyone else say, that anyone with an OCP is trying to cover up for some deficiency. In the post that you replied to, I said "a few... that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize". These (two) people were - quite obviously. The vast majority of OCPs I've known, including many on this list, are not like that at all. Many got it because it is now a market necessity. Some got it to get an entry-level DBA position. A few that I know got it just to see if they could pass all the exams without any preparation.
My problem is not with people who have it, it is with the marketing and hype that has made it mandatory - regardless of level of exerience or anything else. And also with Oracle's most recent greedy exploitation of the situation they created.
Will I get it? Probably. (I don't want to be the only one left without it and it looks like Kirti's gonna go for it now. ;-)
I've been lucky that my last two jobs I got because someone I had worked with previously called me (a VP and a CTO). However, when and if I have to go looking again, I'll likely need it just to clear the HR checklist hurdle and land an interview. (Unless I get lucky again).
Lets see... What do I need to do in the next few months... Finish building and testing a Linux 9i RAC system, set up new software for the MML on every server and migrate all the backups it and a new tape library, diagnose and redesign | tune significant parts of a custom in-house application, move two other internal Oracle systems to bigger servers, spend a couple of weeks reviewing and hardening a client's nine exclusive Oracle8i systems in Chicago and one 8i OPS system in Texas (all but one using literally every option Oracle offers in 8i, including iFS - which I haven't yet had time/motivation to learn), do a security and architectural assessment of a prototype 8i system that another client wants to install in *thousands* of retail locations around the world, do the standard "only DBA in a shop full of developers" development support and production thing, work with the CTO and VP on developing a disaster recovery plan, *perhaps* write a white paper (or two) and a presentation (or two) for OOW 2002, and, oh yeah, ... study for and take about six essentially entry-level DBA exams before Oracle ups the ante again. Sorry, but if I had a choice, I'd rather sleep occassionally instead. I don't really need any more flaming hoops to jump through. I imagine there are a lot of people like me out there who feel the same way.
Don Granaman
[OraSaurus]
I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty
worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that
the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my
point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to
get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me.
Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and
implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not
going to have that.
What merit is there in saying "doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP
... should have one too.". Where's the evidence for that kind of witless
comment?
I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't
want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it
constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability.
I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their
statements by saying that applies to "a few" or "some" but the implication
is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of
technical deficiency.
If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it.
Regards,
Mike Hately
No, really; I usually have a sense of humour.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a
Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it.
Don Granaman
[Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP]
But doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP does not or do/should OCP
have
one too.
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