ratings are based not just on presentation style but also on technical
content, speakers (apparent) knowledge on the subject being presented,
quality of presentation materials and I can't remember what else.
rating cards also include a section for comments.
- "MacGregor, Ian A." <ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> I'll bet a dynamic animated speaker chockful of amusing anecdotes
> whose presentation is technically weak scores better than a plodding
> monotonous one with better information to convey :) Especialy if the
> audience is composed of nascent DBA's :)
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> one being a marketing venue, the other being a place where you can
> learn from ohers experiences.
>
> and to clarify further, if you are a lousy presenter, giving bad
> information, you get horrible scores and, since the selection process
> is not blind, don't get asked back to present again.
>
> So having a list of many presentations, at various conferences, can
> be
> an indicator of knowledge.
>
>
> --- "Karniotis, Stephen" <Stephen_Karniotis_at_compuware.com> wrote:
> > Let me clarify something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A
> > Live
> > where these presentations were made. Please do not confuse the
> two!!
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Stephen P. Karniotis
> > Product Architect
> > Compuware Corporation
> > Direct: (248) 865-4350
> > Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> > Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
> > Web: www.compuware.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
> >
> > A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> > book
> > makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> > containing
> > fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> > mode,
> > and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> > understanding of
> > Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true
> on
> > paper.
> > It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> > their
> > own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
> > because
> > they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> > Oracle
> > community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> > and a new
> > tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar
> Deshpande,
> > and
> > John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful.
> Personally,
> > I was
> > using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> > the hit
> > ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
> > before
> > seeing Cary's paper!
> > !
> > , it
> > would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> > Performance
> > Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> > collection
> > needs.
> >
> > Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> > The OCP
> > says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether
> that
> > standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> > authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders
> know
> > far
> > less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are
> more
> > expert
> > than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> > presentations
> > needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> > Good
> > authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be
> called
> > an OCP.
> > I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and
> > that
> > there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not
> > more
> > knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done
> > neither who
> > know as much if not more than both.
> >
> > The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to
> > make money
> > and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet
> to
> > become
> > an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> > conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> > the six
> > most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did
> not
> > include
> > Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan
> Lewis,
> > nor Guy
> > Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the
> awarded
> > the
> > OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> > who is
> > extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools.
> There
> > were
> > some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top
> > rollout, the
> > OCM under proper care could become a certification with real
> meaning,
> > by
> > that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter
> >
> >
> > Ian MacGregor
> > Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
> > ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:17 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Rachel has really baiting me on this one, as she is well aware of
> my
> > position on certifications, especially Oracle's. I watched some of
> > this
> > thread start and laughed.
> >
> > Vendor-sponsored certifications are no more valuable to the
> > marketplace than
> > the software they claim is 100% bug free. This is especially true
> > when the
> > vendor "pushes" the certification out to the market for next to
> > nothing and
> > then complains that the industry sees no value in it because
> SOOOOOO
> > many
> > people have it. Who's to blame for that. Why do you think
> Microsoft
> > reduced the number of organizations that offer MCS* certifications?
>
> > There
> > are TOOOO MANY. Our company offered MCS* certifications, including
> a
> > complete training program, as required and it brought NO VALUE.
> >
> > Look at companies like Novell, etc. Originally, Novel's
> > certifications,
> > CNA, CNE, & CNAE, were offered at a high cost and only the few and
> > proud had
> > obtained it. The original certification exams, CSP, CCP, etc. that
> > were
> > offered by third-party institutes have also lost their value as
> > anyone with
> > a book and time can pass them. It's too bad because certifications
> > DID mean
> > something in the 1980s and early 1990s.
>
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