the they I referred to is IOUG
haven't decided if I want to take the 9i upgrade. Part of me wants to
continue the "not worked with it, passed the test streak", part of me
says "who gives a flying fig anyway"
- "Orr, Steve" <sorr_at_rightnow.com> wrote:
> Who are they?
>
> So are you going to take the 9i test? :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:15 PM
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>
> they tried for an independent set of tests.... Chauncey
> certification,
> which Oracle was quick to denigrate.
>
> Those tests, while not perfect (I wanted to be able to get INTO the
> database myself, not look at canned views of what was in there) were
> developed by DBAs in the real world, and were much more reflective of
> what knowledge you needed to function as a production DBA for a
> corporation.
>
>
> --- "Orr, Steve" <sorr_at_rightnow.com> wrote:
> > I always enjoy your posts Ian. Seems to me like schmoozing has been
> > involved
> > so maybe OCM should stand for Oracly Certifiable Marketeer.
> >
> > I like Rachel's point that the tests reflect what Oracle is
> currently
> > pushing and not what real DBA work is about. Even though they are
> > probably
> > the most objective way to measure knowledge en mass, good tests are
> > difficult to create and maintain. The problem is that the current
> > tests are
> > not very good. Why are we so dependent on Oracle Corporation for
> this
> > anyway? It would be nice if IOUG could come up with a good set of
> > tests
> > without any input from Oracle Corporation. Sharing amongst peers
> and
> > helping
> > users in their professional development with Oracle database
> > technology...
> > Isn't that part of the IOUG charter? Am I expecting too much of
> IOUG?
> > Or are
> > we collectively demanding too little?
> >
> > If it were done well, an independent set of tests could gain
> respect
> > among
> > the HR headhunter folks. Or we could just continue with the current
> > compromise...
> >
> >
> > Steve Orr
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> > book
> > makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> > containing
> > fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> > mode,
> > and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> > understanding of
> > Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true
> on
> > paper.
> > It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> > their
> > own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
> > because
> > they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> > Oracle
> > community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> > and a new
> > tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar
> Deshpande,
> > and
> > John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful.
> Personally,
> > I was
> > using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> > the hit
> > ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
> > before
> > seeing Cary's pap!
> > er!
> > !
> > , it
> > would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> > Performance
> > Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> > collection
> > needs.
> >
> > Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> > The OCP
> > says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether
> that
> > standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> > authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders
> know
> > far
> > less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are
> more
> > expert
> > than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> > presentations
> > needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> > Good
> > authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be
> called
> > an OCP.
> > I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and
> > that
> > there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not
> > more
> > knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done
> > neither who
> > know as much if not more than both.
> >
> > The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to
> > make money
> > and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet
> to
> > become
> > an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> > conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> > the six
> > most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did
> not
> > include
> > Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan
> Lewis,
> > nor Guy
> > Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the
> awarded
> > the
> > OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> > who is
> > extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools.
> There
> > were
> > some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top
> > rollout, the
> > OCM under proper care could become a certification with real
> meaning,
> > by
> > that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter
> >
> >
> > Ian MacGregor
> > Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
> > ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
>
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