Who are they?
So are you going to take the 9i test? :-)
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they tried for an independent set of tests.... Chauncey certification,
which Oracle was quick to denigrate.
Those tests, while not perfect (I wanted to be able to get INTO the
database myself, not look at canned views of what was in there) were
developed by DBAs in the real world, and were much more reflective of
what knowledge you needed to function as a production DBA for a
corporation.
- "Orr, Steve" <sorr_at_rightnow.com> wrote:
> I always enjoy your posts Ian. Seems to me like schmoozing has been
> involved
> so maybe OCM should stand for Oracly Certifiable Marketeer.
>
> I like Rachel's point that the tests reflect what Oracle is currently
> pushing and not what real DBA work is about. Even though they are
> probably
> the most objective way to measure knowledge en mass, good tests are
> difficult to create and maintain. The problem is that the current
> tests are
> not very good. Why are we so dependent on Oracle Corporation for this
> anyway? It would be nice if IOUG could come up with a good set of
> tests
> without any input from Oracle Corporation. Sharing amongst peers and
> helping
> users in their professional development with Oracle database
> technology...
> Isn't that part of the IOUG charter? Am I expecting too much of IOUG?
> Or are
> we collectively demanding too little?
>
> If it were done well, an independent set of tests could gain respect
> among
> the HR headhunter folks. Or we could just continue with the current
> compromise...
>
>
> Steve Orr
>
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:41 PM
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>
>
> A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> book
> makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> containing
> fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> mode,
> and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> understanding of
> Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true on
> paper.
> It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> their
> own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
> because
> they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> Oracle
> community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> and a new
> tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar Deshpande,
> and
> John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful. Personally,
> I was
> using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> the hit
> ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
> before
> seeing Cary's pap!
> er!
> !
> , it
> would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> Performance
> Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> collection
> needs.
>
> Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> The OCP
> says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether that
> standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders know
> far
> less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are more
> expert
> than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> presentations
> needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> Good
> authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be called
> an OCP.
> I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and
> that
> there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not
> more
> knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done
> neither who
> know as much if not more than both.
>
> The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to
> make money
> and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet to
> become
> an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> the six
> most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did not
> include
> Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan Lewis,
> nor Guy
> Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the awarded
> the
> OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> who is
> extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools. There
> were
> some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top
> rollout, the
> OCM under proper care could become a certification with real meaning,
> by
> that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter
>
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
> ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
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