The six who were awarded the OCM title had not taken the tests nor the
courses.
I am not disagreeing that at least some of them deserved the honor and
had proven their expertise... however, they'd proved it the way I
mentioned: by giving presentations and in at least 4 of the 6 cases,
were authors as well.
Rachel
- "MacGregor, Ian A." <ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
> My deepest apologies. I was confused by three of the awardees being
> members of the IOUG-A board. I had also forgotten that Jerimiah
> Wilton was an awardee. He might not be in the top six, but is
> probably in the top 10 a few places after me :)
>
> The press release pulled off the IOUG-A web page:
>
> IOUG President, Rich Niemiec, Executive Vice
> President, Peter Koletzke, and Select
> Magazine Executive Editor, Paul Dorsey, Honored
> as Oracle Certified Masters at
> Oracle OpenWorld
> 03-DEC-01
> The IOUG is proud that its leaders were in the
> first group of Oracle Certified Masters to
> be recognized by Oracle Corp. The honor
> distinguishes them as one of the top six
> Oracle experts in the world. In addition to
> Rich Niemiec, Peter Koletzke, and Paul
> Dorsey, David Ensor, Scott Nelson and Jeremiah
> Wilton were also honored.
>
> All were selected based on their respective
> expertise of Oracle technologies. Mark
> Jarvis, senior vice president and chief
> marketing officer of Oracle Corp., and John Hall,
> vice president of Oracle University, made the
> presentations during Oracle OpenWorld's
> opening session.
>
> To become an Oracle Certified Master, one must
> first be an Oracle Certified
> Professional, then attend two advanced Oracle
> technology courses within his/her
> selected job role. Finally, he/she must
> successfully complete a hands-on
> practice-based examination in an Oracle lab
> environment.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:27 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Let me clarify something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A
> Live
> where these presentations were made. Please do not confuse the two!!
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct: (248) 865-4350
> Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
>
> A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> book
> makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> containing
> fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> mode,
> and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> understanding of
> Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true on
> paper.
> It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> their
> own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
> because
> they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> Oracle
> community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> and a new
> tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar Deshpande,
> and
> John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful. Personally,
> I was
> using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> the hit
> ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
> before
> seeing Cary's paper!
> !
> , it
> would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> Performance
> Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> collection
> needs.
>
> Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> The OCP
> says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether that
> standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders know
> far
> less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are more
> expert
> than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> presentations
> needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> Good
> authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be called
> an OCP.
> I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and
> that
> there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not
> more
> knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done
> neither who
> know as much if not more than both.
>
> The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to
> make money
> and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet to
> become
> an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> the six
> most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did not
> include
> Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan Lewis,
> nor Guy
> Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the awarded
> the
> OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> who is
> extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools. There
> were
> some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top
> rollout, the
> OCM under proper care could become a certification with real meaning,
> by
> that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter
>
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
> ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:17 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Rachel has really baiting me on this one, as she is well aware of my
> position on certifications, especially Oracle's. I watched some of
> this
> thread start and laughed.
>
> Vendor-sponsored certifications are no more valuable to the
> marketplace than
> the software they claim is 100% bug free. This is especially true
> when the
> vendor "pushes" the certification out to the market for next to
> nothing and
> then complains that the industry sees no value in it because SOOOOOO
> many
> people have it. Who's to blame for that. Why do you think Microsoft
> reduced the number of organizations that offer MCS* certifications?
> There
> are TOOOO MANY. Our company offered MCS* certifications, including a
> complete training program, as required and it brought NO VALUE.
>
> Look at companies like Novell, etc. Originally, Novel's
> certifications,
> CNA, CNE, & CNAE, were offered at a high cost and only the few and
> proud had
> obtained it. The original certification exams, CSP, CCP, etc. that
> were
> offered by third-party institutes have also lost their value as
> anyone with
> a book and time can pass them. It's too bad because certifications
> DID mean
> something in the 1980s and early 1990s.
>
>
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