I know that some companies like mine (about 500 employees) encourage people
to get certified and pay incentives for each exam passed.
A lot of our employees are certified in things you would not think about
(example: 'Certified Excel user', 'Certified Powerpoint User'). I am not
talking about network admins. One of my friends who is network admin when
talking about himself said 'I am so certified, it would make you sick...'.
While we all know experience and ability to do work, which is what really
matters, managers want to see money on the table, and they want contracts.
Certified employees are one of the ways to impress clients when company bids
for projects, especially government projects.
Just to share my experience: I like my company's enfaces on certifications.
It forces people to study, not to be thrown behind technology (we are using
Oracle 8i). I am currently studying for 9i certification. Isn't it
beneficial for me personally? Financial incentives are great! ($500 for each
exam passed, subtract taxes from it :-) ).
Just my 2 cents.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:14 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
So isn't the problem with HR at the company, or specifically with the
recruiters. They have a myopic view when reviewing resumes...they match
key words...DBA, # of years, degrees, OCP, etc. Which I guess explains the
one page "requirement". So your being treated like another number, either
you fit or you don't.
The recruiters don't actually read your resume and try to understand you and
your background, they just play a word matching game.
I guess this would explain why networking is the best option for finding a
job. You end up bypassing that "recruiter word matching game".
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
okay, I realize this won't work for everyone on this list but...
I hand them my resume. the third page of which is FILLED with lists of
presentations I have given, awards I have gotten for presentations I
have given and books I have written
if they STILL want me to have OCP on my resume after that, I don't want
to work there anyway
- Jack Silvey <jack_silvey_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> The question is, are you going to allow your
> clearminded moral stance and total disdain for a
> thinly veiled DBA tax to interfere with your pursuit
> of filth lucre? *I* ain't!
>
> ;)
>
> It is just another hoop to jump through so that a
> hring manager can say "that is an impressive hoop you
> jumped through" and you can respond "yes, and I can
> jump through some hoops for you too" and allow them to
> say "here is an outrageous sum of money to work on our
> computers."
>
> I love this job.
>
> jack silvey
> ocp 7.3, 8.0, 8i, 9i
>
>
> --- Don Granaman <granaman_at_cox.net> wrote:
> > They aren't - unless it exceeds a non-trivial
> > percentage (6%? 7%? more? I
> > can't remember now...) of their income and is
> > "required" (?).
> >
> > This new requirement for OCP is just another in a
> > long line of
> > propaganda/baloney from Oracle in its never-ending
> > attempts to suck up every
> > buck it possibly can. [Oracle likes $$$$$. HR
> > likes mindless checklist
> > items. It is a match made in heaven.] I thought
> > that the "need practically
> > any two ILT classes, no matter how irrelevant" 9i
> > OCM was going to be the
> > limit of extending the the greedy grab for OCP bucks
> > - for 9i at least.
> > This isn't about certification anymore (as if it
> > ever was), its about
> > revenue.
> >
> > Since this "new requirement" (for the moment at
> > least) doesn't apply to
> > upgrade from an 8i certification, does anyone know
> > if there is (or soon will
> > be) a new constraint/surprise/ambush limiting that
> > to 8i OCP obtained prior
> > to, oh say, June 15, 2002? September 2002?
> >
> > Don Granaman
> > [OraSaurus - with more disdain than ever for the
> > evil vampire Larry's OCP
> > DBA tax]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:23 AM
> >
> >
> > > I thought employees were not allowed to write
> > things off as business
> > > expenses...
> > >
> > > Confusedly yours,
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet
> > again
> > >
> > > Are you trying to promote it?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it
> > can
> > > be sold to hiring managers as a sign of
> > professional
> > > competence.
> > >
> > > Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint.
> > Will
> > > someone with this cerifification make $2000 more
> > over
> > > her professional life than she would without?
> > >
> > > So it takes a round trip ticket and three days of
> > > vacation. Get the company to pay for it or write
> > it
> > > off as a business expense.
> > >
> > > Good investment, easy money, instant credibility
> > to
> > > many hiring managers.
> > >
> > > jack silvey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 19 Jun 2002 at 4:38, Ron Rogers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:38:18 -0800
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > > ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > >
> > > > > It seems that our list has made mention in
> > this
> > > > report from
> > > > > Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying to
> > > > justify the $2000 expence.
> > > > > If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i
> > OCP.
> > > > > =======
> > > > > LEAD STORY
> > > > >
> > > > > ORACLE FUELS CERTIFICATION CONTROVERSY |
> > > > SearchDatabase
> > > > > Oracle has a new requirement for its potential
> > > > certified
> > > > > professionals, and the price tag is about
> > $2,000.
> > > > Many DBAs aren't
> > > > > happy about the new policy but Oracle says the
> > > > class makes their
> > > > > certification more valuable than ever. Read
> > the
> > > > details of the new
> > > > > mandate, and what DBAs and industry experts
> > have
> > > > to say about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the full details, click:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.searchdatabase.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid13_gci833782,00.ht
> > > ml
> > > >
> > > > ...
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