Rachel - I think that your approach will work for you. As a top-echelon
consultant, you are a bit above the fray. You will be selected on your
industry reputation, and you should only consider working at an organization
that recognizes your "brand name", because you will receive a
salary/compensation "above average" with that recognition.
For others of us that don't have presentations, books, awards, here is
sort of how it works. A hiring manager opens a requisition with the HR
organization for a DBA. He/she lists qualifications he/she feels are
appropriate to the position. The HR person then places advertisements, talks
to recruiters, etc.
The critical bottleneck is the HR person ends up with 50-100 resumes in
his/her inbox (depending on the economy, the local job market, how complex
the requirements) and pressure from the hiring manager to send some
"qualified applicants" along. The point is that the HR person normally does
the first cut of pulling 4-5 best resumes out of a stack of 50-100. The job
of your resume is get you into the small stack. I would like to say that
someone of extraordinary technical skills spends 30 minutes with each
resume, looking beyond the poor writing of a technical person and
grammatical mistakes to think of deeper issues. I would like to say that,
but don't bet your career on it. Sometimes the hiring manager insists on
getting to review all resumes, but HR people can be pretty territorial about
that. More than likely a nontechnical person is reduced to looking for:
- keywords (put Oracle and OCP in bold type, make their job easy)
- college degrees
- years of experience that appear to be relevant to the position being
applied for.
- obvious gaps in employment history, frequent job changes
I'm not saying that the system is fair, but just that is the way it mostly
works. If the system doesn't work for you, it is critical that you learn the
alternate strategies from books like "What Color is Your Parachute". Too
often we technical people are rightfully proud of the difficulty of learning
hard-core technical subjects like DBMS theory and Oracle, and sneer at the
mediocrity of simple people skills like preparing a good resume and basic
interviewing skills. Some of the most brilliant technical people I have
worked with had the hardest time getting their next position and were forced
to settle for a less-attractive job because of it.
Dennis Williams
DBA, 20% OCP
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
okay, I realize this won't work for everyone on this list but...
I hand them my resume. the third page of which is FILLED with lists of
presentations I have given, awards I have gotten for presentations I
have given and books I have written
if they STILL want me to have OCP on my resume after that, I don't want
to work there anyway
- Jack Silvey <jack_silvey_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> The question is, are you going to allow your
> clearminded moral stance and total disdain for a
> thinly veiled DBA tax to interfere with your pursuit
> of filth lucre? *I* ain't!
>
> ;)
>
> It is just another hoop to jump through so that a
> hring manager can say "that is an impressive hoop you
> jumped through" and you can respond "yes, and I can
> jump through some hoops for you too" and allow them to
> say "here is an outrageous sum of money to work on our
> computers."
>
> I love this job.
>
> jack silvey
> ocp 7.3, 8.0, 8i, 9i
>
>
> --- Don Granaman <granaman_at_cox.net> wrote:
> > They aren't - unless it exceeds a non-trivial
> > percentage (6%? 7%? more? I
> > can't remember now...) of their income and is
> > "required" (?).
> >
> > This new requirement for OCP is just another in a
> > long line of
> > propaganda/baloney from Oracle in its never-ending
> > attempts to suck up every
> > buck it possibly can. [Oracle likes $$$$$. HR
> > likes mindless checklist
> > items. It is a match made in heaven.] I thought
> > that the "need practically
> > any two ILT classes, no matter how irrelevant" 9i
> > OCM was going to be the
> > limit of extending the the greedy grab for OCP bucks
> > - for 9i at least.
> > This isn't about certification anymore (as if it
> > ever was), its about
> > revenue.
> >
> > Since this "new requirement" (for the moment at
> > least) doesn't apply to
> > upgrade from an 8i certification, does anyone know
> > if there is (or soon will
> > be) a new constraint/surprise/ambush limiting that
> > to 8i OCP obtained prior
> > to, oh say, June 15, 2002? September 2002?
> >
> > Don Granaman
> > [OraSaurus - with more disdain than ever for the
> > evil vampire Larry's OCP
> > DBA tax]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:23 AM
> >
> >
> > > I thought employees were not allowed to write
> > things off as business
> > > expenses...
> > >
> > > Confusedly yours,
> > > Patrice Boivin
> > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet
> > again
> > >
> > > Are you trying to promote it?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it
> > can
> > > be sold to hiring managers as a sign of
> > professional
> > > competence.
> > >
> > > Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint.
> > Will
> > > someone with this cerifification make $2000 more
> > over
> > > her professional life than she would without?
> > >
> > > So it takes a round trip ticket and three days of
> > > vacation. Get the company to pay for it or write
> > it
> > > off as a business expense.
> > >
> > > Good investment, easy money, instant credibility
> > to
> > > many hiring managers.
> > >
> > > jack silvey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 19 Jun 2002 at 4:38, Ron Rogers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:38:18 -0800
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > > ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > >
> > > > > It seems that our list has made mention in
> > this
> > > > report from
> > > > > Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying to
> > > > justify the $2000 expence.
> > > > > If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i
> > OCP.
> > > > > =======
> > > > > LEAD STORY
> > > > >
> > > > > ORACLE FUELS CERTIFICATION CONTROVERSY |
> > > > SearchDatabase
> > > > > Oracle has a new requirement for its potential
> > > > certified
> > > > > professionals, and the price tag is about
> > $2,000.
> > > > Many DBAs aren't
> > > > > happy about the new policy but Oracle says the
> > > > class makes their
> > > > > certification more valuable than ever. Read
> > the
> > > > details of the new
> > > > > mandate, and what DBAs and industry experts
> > have
> > > > to say about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > For the full details, click:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.searchdatabase.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid13_gci833782,00.ht
> > > ml
> > > >
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