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I had to keep double-checking the URL. That article reads just like something from the Onion. I guess that it would be impossible to write a spoof about Oracle's greed and students' (and hiring managers') unrealistic expectations because no matter how outrageous you made your spoof it still couldn't exceed reality.
Ron Rogers
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06/19/2002
08:38 AM
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It seems that our list has made mention in this report from Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying to justify the $2000 expence. If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i OCP.
For the full details, click:
http://www.searchdatabase.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid13_gci833782,00.html
>>> dgoulet_at_vicr.com 06/18/02 12:33PM >>>
Jared,
Just turned to my Network Guru who is chasing the Cisco cert.
There are
three tests at $100 each and then the 2 day practical which is $2,000.
Dick Goulet
____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com> Date: 6/18/2002 6:03 AM
This new certification test sounds similar to what Cisco does, and Cisco certification is highly regarded among networking folks, as you must know what you're doing to obtain certification.
As I recall, it takes a couple of days to get through it all.
Anyone know what the Cisco tests cost?
Jared
On Tuesday 18 June 2002 06:18, Karniotis, Stephen wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> I just saw this thread this morning. What a crime. It seems that
the
> only way Oracle can generate sufficient streams of revenue is to
punish
> those that popularize their software for the market. As an Oracle
DBA and
> IT Manager, I will not pay for any of my staff to obtain a
certification
> that requires such a ridiculous configuration. It just shows that
Oracle
> is trying to generate as much revenue as possible. Given the state
of
> today's economy, I don't think Oracle should be alienating their
> customer/PR base.
>
> As far as the tax issue: If training is not provided by your
employer,
> and is required for your job, it can be deducted as business expense
on
> form 2106. For education, the feds allow for educational expenses
and some
> states also allow for it.
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct: (248) 865-4350
> Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
> Web: www.compuware.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:34 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
>
> I know, I have that experience myself. What is the point
> in putting in the training, then?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dgoulet_at_vicr.com [mailto:dgoulet_at_vicr.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:22 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re:RE: OCP newsletter, latest changes...
> >
> >
> > In the US one can put training on their income tax forms, but
> > the IRS will
> > disallow it.
> >
> > Dick Goulet
> > One of the disallowed!
> >
> > ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > Author: "Boivin; Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
> > Date: 6/17/2002 12:05 PM
> >
> > I think this change will up the ante for corporations that do
> > not send their
> > staff to official training courses or expect that staff will
> > keep up to date
> > in their certifications on their own time and money, a $50
> > book out of one's
> > own pocket doesn't compare with a $2000 course.
> >
> > Employees in Canada can't deduct training etc. before income
> > taxes, only
> > consultants can. I don't know if that's the case in the U.S.
> > or the UK as
> > well.
> >
> > Maybe more people will become consultants, but then again
> > there is a bit of
> > a crunch in the IT job sector right now.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:44 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Soon we will be required as a part of the hiring process to
> > make a visit to
> > Oracle for certification, medical check, and brain wash!
> >
> > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of
the
> > author and do not necessarily represent those of the company
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > I couldn't believe that, Ron, so I had to check it out myself.
You're
> > right:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9i
> > _ocmpract.html
> > <http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/index.html?dba9
> > i_ocmpract.htm
> > l>
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle Certified Master DBA Practicum Exam
> >
> > An OCM candidate must successfully pass the Oracle Certified
> > Master DBA
> > practicum after having completed the required OU advanced learning
> > requirements. The practicum will be conducted at an Oracle
University
> > facility in each global region. The location for Americas is
> > Chicago, IL.
> > The cost for the practicum is $2000.00 US Dollars. Locations
> > for EMEA and
> > APAC have not yet been determined.
> >
> >
> >
> > The practicum is a two-day, hands-on performance based event where
> > candidates will be presented with numerous scenarios that
> > will require them
> > to diagnose and solve highly technical Oracle server related
> > problems. Each
> > candidate will have their own dedicated LINUX server that is
> > configured with
> > the Oracle server software, Oracle Enterprise Manager, and the
Oracle
> > documentation set.
> >
> >
> >
> > Topics on the practicum include core database technology, database
> > configuration, replication, partitioning, parallel
> > operations, diagnostics,
> > troubleshooting, performance tuning, and backup and recovery.
> > Candidates may
> > also encounter ad hoc database problems that they will have
> > to resolve,
> > therefore simulating "real-world" database operations. Oracle
> > tools such as
> > Oracle Enterprise Manager, Data Guard, Flashback, Recovery
> > Manager, and
> > Oracle documentation will be available to candidates during
> > the practicum.
> >
> >
> >
> > Candidates will be scored on their ability to successfully
> > complete the
> > scenarios and if they obtain a passing score they will be
> > awarded the OCM
> > certification. Based upon a candidate's performance during
> > the practicum,
> > they may not be awarded the OCM certification if they do not
> > achieve the
> > preset passing score.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that the price tag is a way too high to start with,
> > but the thing
> > that really blew me away is that the test is on Linux only???
> > It's hard for
> > me to believe that they won't let you take it on your
> > platform of choice,
> > especially for the hard-core-Windows guys out there.
> >
> >
> >
> > And I have to use Enterprise Manager? Give me a break - and
> > a SQL> prompt.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> > | Brian McGraw /* DBA */ Infinity Insurance |
> > |
> > | mailto:Brian.McGraw_at_Infinity-Insurance.com |
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Rogers
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:34 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Did you check out the prices for the OCM? Two classes plus $2,000
for
> >
> > the exam the last time I looked into it. Can I take an upgrade exam
to
> >
> > upgrade my OCM-7?
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > ROR mo?om
> >
> > >>> cgrabowy_at_fcg.com 06/17/02 02:14PM >>>
> >
> > Speaking of OCP...I got this from the OCP newsletter...I guess
Oracle
> >
> > needs
> >
> > more revenue streams...
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Oracle Certified Professional,
> >
> > Please acknowledge this correspondance as an official notification
in
> >
> > regards to your pursuit of Oracle Certification.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Oracle Certification credential continues to provide leverage
to
> >
> > those
> >
> > who have earned it, leading to increased demand for Oracle
Certified
> >
> > Professionals among hiring managers. To help meet this demand and
> >
> > increase
> >
> > the value of the credential, Oracle is investing heavily in the
> >
> > betterment
> >
> > of certification exams and learning offerings. Oracle customers
and
> >
> > business
> >
> > partners demand that their Oracle Certified Professionals have
> >
> > hands-on
> >
> > experience with all aspects of the Oracle database. To meet our
> >
> > commitment
> >
> > to customers and constituents, three distinct changes are being
rolled
> >
> > out
> >
> > with the goal of increasing the level of quality of our
certification
> >
> > skill
> >
> > and ability benchmarks:
> >
> >
> >
> > Scenario-based testing in all new Oracle Certified Professional
track
> >
> > exams
> >
> > (as of January, 2002)
> >
> > Instructor-led class requirement for all Oracle9i DBA Certified
> >
> > Professionals (as of June 15, 2002)
> >
> > A new hands-on Masters Practicum (available October, 2002)
> >
> > The OCP Oracle9i DBA track requires four tests: two required tests
for
> >
> > OCA
> >
> > certification plus two additional tests. Oracle now also requires
(as
> >
> > of
> >
> > June 15, 2002) that all newly starting OCP credential candidates
> >
> > complete
> >
> > one hands-on course with Oracle University in preparation for
their
> >
> > exams
> >
> > and future role as an Oracle technologist.
> >
> >
> >
> > Because you are already an Oracle Certified Professional, you are
not
> >
> > required to complete any course requirements to upgrade your
> > credential
> >
> > to
> >
> > Oracle9i status. You will simply be required to take the
appropriate
> >
> > OCP DBA
> >
> > upgrade exam(s).
> >
> >
> >
> > The Masters Practicum exam will be launched during October 2002 at
> >
> > regional
> >
> > centers around the globe. This credential will prove to the
> > market that
> >
> > each
> >
> > Oracle Certified Master has demonstrated the ability to be
successful
> >
> > on the
> >
> > job. To learn more about this credential, view our website's
section
> >
> > specific to the OCM program. The program requires that
> > candidates first
> >
> > earn
> >
> > their OCP for Oracle9i, and then complete two advanced courses
from
> >
> > Oracle
> >
> > University. The website includes a list of courses that can be
applied
> >
> > to
> >
> > meet the requirement. After fulfilling the course requirement,
> >
> > candidates
> >
> > can schedule an appointment for their practicum exam. The exam is
a
> >
> > two-day
> >
> > event at a regional Oracle University center involving hands-on,
> >
> > job-performance-based testing using Oracle9i Database
technologies.
> >
> >
> >
> > For more information, visit www.oracle.com/education/certification,
or
> >
> > phone
> >
> > your local Oracle University representative. A complete listing of
> >
> > local
> >
> > Oracle University representative phone numbers can be at
> >
> > www.oracle.com/education/index.html?contact.html.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your understanding of Oracle's commitment to
excellence
> >
> > and
> >
> > continued quality for the Oracle Certification Program.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle Certification
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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