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Mohammad , thanks a lot !!!
Also, many thanks to all who replied.
DBAndrey
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Sent: Tue, June 11, 2002 7:19 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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Although I lived in Amsterdam while ago (3 years between 1984-1987) and last
travelled in 1998 I still can reply couple of questions....
To have a car in Amsterdam seems to be a nightmare.
Keeping a car there is luxury and not requirement as it has excellent public
transport system specially if you are working in Central Amsterdam, it is faster, affordable and no worries of parking,narrow roads or traffic congestion as they have different path/road to drive with first priority.....so if you use your car you will face all type of troubles as mentioned....
Rent:
You have to get rental properties outside Amsterdam costing around Dutch
Guilder 2000-3000/month as within Amsterdam properties are owned by Govt.and
if you are able to get it , it is really cheap and may be under DFL 1000.
Cost of living is high comparing US and some European Cities like London.( I lived there also between 1995-1998)
Net salary around DFL 7-8000 / month should be ok if it is possible.
Other Dutch cities like Rotterdam are comparatively cheaper.
Tax:(if not changed)
They were allowing 35% tax concession for first 5 year income to incoming
Foreigners and remaining 65% were taxed as per local laws. Here you must ask
your prospective employer to give you specific figures for tax/social security(very high) deductions so that you could assess monetary situation.
Life
Living in area of Buitenveldert(where I lived)/Amstelveen is really nice and
no problem of transportation. Dutch people are really good, life is good. If
you have school going children, then language of education will be Dutch. If
you want English education, then Bristish /American schools are your choice but really expensive.
Food:
They have good super market chains (ALBERTHYN is very good and my favourite)
reasonably priced.
I still have good memories of Holland and treat is as one of my home..
If any specific question, you may sent email directly...
Here I shall tender my apology to Jared for writing on an off-topic subject thinking it might help others also....
Regards
Rafiq
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:38:27 -0800
Hi,
Agree with Stefan about pushy people.
To have a car in Amsterdam seems to be a nightmare. Traffic is terrible.
Roads are narrow. A lot of multi-level parkings for... bicycles :-)
-- Alexandre ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:38 PMReceived on Wed Jun 12 2002 - 06:29:09 CDT
> Hi Andy
>
> I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in
Germany
> and the Zuerich area in Switzerland.
>
> D'dorf:
>
> As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you can
> expect about 60000 Euros per year.
> If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are not,
you
> might have to accept less. I assume
> you're talking about a permanent position here.
> Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes (IRS
is
> really greedy here ;). Housing should
> be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown,
that's
> exponentially more expensive unless
> you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My wife
> and I spend about 600 Euros per month on
> food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and tax
> (really varies, depending on the size of the engine
> and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good
> alternative.
>
> Zuerich:
>
> As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there you
> are ... easy.
> Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can
expect
> the salary
> here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it.
>
> Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding
> unfriendly and pushy people.
>
> I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing).
>
> Regards,
> Stefan
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13
> An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major european
>
>
> Hi !
> Sorry for this off topic posting.
>
> I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA" position in
> Amsteram, the Netherlands.
> Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary should i
> get / request.
> I have 6 years of experience in the field.
> So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or other
major
> European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs of
> living / salaries) a couple of questions:
>
> what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my
> qualifications ?
>
> What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food ,
leisure,
> travel , taxes ,etc.. ?
>
> How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to other
> European capitals ?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly to
me
> or to the list.
>
> Cheers.
>
> P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-)
>
>
>
> DBAndrey
>
> * 03-9254520
> * 058-548133
> * mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com
>
>
>
>
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