Re: AW: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major e

The IT people speak everywhere English :-) But don't expect to talk your native English.

Jp

On Tuesday 11 June 2002 23:09, you wrote:
> Do Germans mind to speak English to an English speaking programmer? How
> would one communicate if he/she doesn't speak German?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 3:35 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> Yes, it is still the case. You still can get relatively easy an IT job in
> Germany.
>
> I get my job in Switzerland in 97 through personal contact,
> but worked as "reine oekonomische Director". So I don't know how is IT
> market
> there. Sorry.
>
> Jan Pruner
>
> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 19:13, you wrote:
> > I'd like to ask another question. Hope you don't mind... How did you
> > get a job in Switzerland/Germany/Holland? How is market and demand
> > there? I know a year or two ago Germany was screaming for
> > dba/programmers. Is it still the case or times changed?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 10:54 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > europ
> >
> > Nicht nur in Zurich.
> >
> > No, they aren't.
> > But if you don't know conventions in Switzerland you will be surprised.
> >
> :-)
> :
> > JP
> >
> > On Tuesday 11 June 2002 16:58, you wrote:
> > > >Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding
> > > >unfriendly and pushy people.
> > >
> > > does that mean that the people in Zurich ARE unfriendly and pushy?
> > >
> > > --- Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de> wrote:
> > > > Hi Andy
> > > >
> > > > I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in
> > > > Germany
> > > > and the Zuerich area in Switzerland.
> > > >
> > > > D'dorf:
> > > >
> > > > As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you
> > > > can
> > > > expect about 60000 Euros per year.
> > > > If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are
> > > > not, you
> > > > might have to accept less. I assume
> > > > you're talking about a permanent position here.
> > > > Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes
> > > > (IRS is
> > > > really greedy here ;). Housing should
> > > > be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown,
> > > > that's
> > > > exponentially more expensive unless
> > > > you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My
> > > > wife
> > > > and I spend about 600 Euros per month on
> > > > food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and
> > > > tax
> > > > (really varies, depending on the size of the engine
> > > > and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good
> > > > alternative.
> > > >
> > > > Zuerich:
> > > >
> > > > As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there
> > > > you
> > > > are ... easy.
> > > > Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can
> > > > expect
> > > > the salary
> > > > here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it.
> > > >
> > > > Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock
> > > > regarding
> > > > unfriendly and pushy people.
> > > >
> > > > I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Stefan
> > > >
> > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com]
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13
> > > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major
> > > > european
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi !
> > > > Sorry for this off topic posting.
> > > >
> > > > I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA"
> > > > position in
> > > > Amsteram, the Netherlands.
> > > > Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary
> > > > should i
> > > > get / request.
> > > > I have 6 years of experience in the field.
> > > > So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or
> > > > other major
> > > > European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs
> > > > of
> > > > living / salaries) a couple of questions:
> > > >
> > > > what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my
> > > > qualifications ?
> > > >
> > > > What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food ,
> > > > leisure,
> > > > travel , taxes ,etc.. ?
> > > >
> > > > How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to
> > > > other
> > > > European capitals ?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly
> > > > to me
> > > > or to the list.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DBAndrey
> > > >
> > > > * 03-9254520
> > > > * 058-548133
> > > > * mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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