Yes Jan, what happened ?
Did you order dog on toast outside Graubünden ?
Bon apetit,
Stefan
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 18:29
An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Betreff: Re: AW: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major
europ
If you don't know local conventions ANYWHERE, you will be surprised
however, now I'm curious..... just what happens?
- Jan Pruner <jan_at_pruner.cz> wrote:
> Nicht nur in Zurich.
>
> No, they aren't.
> But if you don't know conventions in Switzerland you will be
> surprised. :-)
>
> JP
>
> On Tuesday 11 June 2002 16:58, you wrote:
> > >Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock
> regarding
> > >unfriendly and pushy people.
> >
> > does that mean that the people in Zurich ARE unfriendly and pushy?
> >
> > --- Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de> wrote:
> > > Hi Andy
> > >
> > > I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area
> in
> > > Germany
> > > and the Zuerich area in Switzerland.
> > >
> > > D'dorf:
> > >
> > > As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess
> you
> > > can
> > > expect about 60000 Euros per year.
> > > If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are
> > > not, you
> > > might have to accept less. I assume
> > > you're talking about a permanent position here.
> > > Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of
> taxes
> > > (IRS is
> > > really greedy here ;). Housing should
> > > be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not
> downtown,
> > > that's
> > > exponentially more expensive unless
> > > you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive.
> My
> > > wife
> > > and I spend about 600 Euros per month on
> > > food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance
> and
> > > tax
> > > (really varies, depending on the size of the engine
> > > and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a
> good
> > > alternative.
> > >
> > > Zuerich:
> > >
> > > As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and
> there
> > > you
> > > are ... easy.
> > > Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also
> can
> > > expect
> > > the salary
> > > here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for
> it.
> > >
> > > Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock
> > > regarding
> > > unfriendly and pushy people.
> > >
> > > I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Stefan
> > >
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com]
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13
> > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major
> > > european
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi !
> > > Sorry for this off topic posting.
> > >
> > > I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA"
> > > position in
> > > Amsteram, the Netherlands.
> > > Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary
> > > should i
> > > get / request.
> > > I have 6 years of experience in the field.
> > > So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or
> > > other major
> > > European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of
> costs
> > > of
> > > living / salaries) a couple of questions:
> > >
> > > what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my
> > > qualifications ?
> > >
> > > What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food
> ,
> > > leisure,
> > > travel , taxes ,etc.. ?
> > >
> > > How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and
> to
> > > other
> > > European capitals ?
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either
> directly
> > > to me
> > > or to the list.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you
> ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DBAndrey
> > >
> > > * 03-9254520
> > > * 058-548133
> > > * mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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