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Funny being a non-American I understood the sentence to mean the opposite
you did :)
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Sent: 11 June 2002 16:49
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Stefan,
I was in Holland some years ago, alright many a year ago (1983). I did
not
find the people there "unfriendly and pushy". As a matter of fact I found
them
very friendly. A little hard to understand since English is a foreign
language
over there, but friendly and patient none the less.
Dick Goulet
____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: Stefan Jahnke <Stefan.Jahnke_at_bov.de> Date: 6/11/2002 4:38 AM
Hi Andy
I can only give you some information about the Duesseldorf area in Germany and the Zuerich area in Switzerland.
D'dorf:
As a combined sys admin / dba with 6 years experience, I guess you can
expect about 60000 Euros per year.
If you want more, you have to be extraordinarily good. If you are not, you
might have to accept less. I assume
you're talking about a permanent position here.
Cost of living is pretty high. You can expect to pay LOADS of taxes (IRS is
really greedy here ;). Housing should
be about 800 Euros for a 70 square meter apartment (but not downtown, that's
exponentially more expensive unless
you're really lucky). Food and clothing is also pretty expensive. My wife
and I spend about 600 Euros per month on
food. If you need a car, you'll have to pay a lot for insurance and tax
(really varies, depending on the size of the engine
and how likely it is to be stolen;). Public transportation is a good
alternative.
Zuerich:
As for Switzerland, multiply the housing and food cost by 2 and there you
are ... easy.
Public transportation is perfect plus you pay less tax. You also can expect
the salary
here to be about 30% higher then in Germany, so that makes up for it.
Be warned: If you're american, you might get a culture shock regarding unfriendly and pushy people.
I guess Amsterdam is comparable (just guessing).
Regards,
Stefan
-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Andrey Bronfin [mailto:andreyb_at_elrontelesoft.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 12:13
An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Betreff: off topic: anyone form Amsterdam, Holland / other major european
Hi !
Sorry for this off topic posting.
I will probably be offered a "Solaris sys admin / Oracle DBA" position in
Amsteram, the Netherlands.
Unfortunately , i have no idea of what order of magnitude salary should i
get / request.
I have 6 years of experience in the field.
So i wanted to ask the list memebers ( who are from Amsterdam or other major
European cities , which is compatible to Amsterdam in terms of costs of
living / salaries) a couple of questions:
what would be a reasonable salary for a relocating person of my qualifications ?
What is the living cost there , i.e. an appartment to rent , food , leisure, travel , taxes ,etc.. ?
How does Amsterdam compares price-wise to other Dutch cities and to other European capitals ?
Thanks a lot in advance to everybody who will respond either directly to me or to the list.
Cheers.
P.S : Please forgive me if this off topic question bothers you ;-)
DBAndrey
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