Oracle-L: RE: Stubborn Table

From: kkennedy <kkennedy_at_firstpoint.com>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:28:27 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0047199E.20020531142827@fatcity.com>

Hi Gary,
Didn't try ROWID hint before, did just now. No plan change.

I'm starting to re-code the update to use the subquery to bulk load a PL/SQL table then do the update in a forall loop. Seems silly and will be significantly less readable but....

Probably won't finish before I need to boogey for the weekend (I may be a DBA when I'm not developing but I don't have a DBA attitude about weekends).

Thanks for the suggestions so far.
Kevin

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:09 PM
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Did you try a rowid hint?
Gary

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 5:49 PM
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Good point on the first query. The fields are nullable even though they logically should not be. I can feel several of my brain cells coming back to life.

On the second query, I would dearly love for the optimizer to figure out that the subquery is a list of rowids and that rowid access is the preferred method of reaching out and touching rows. Maybe I'm just expecting too much......

Kevin

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:19 PM
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Kevin,

The optimizer can't use an index on the first query, as it would miss any rows where Record_Type and Archive_Input_File are null, and hence not in the index. Are Record_Type and Archive_Input_File columns defined as not null?

As for the 2nd query, what is the index which you expect it to use?

Gary

Gary Kirsh
Next Extent Consulting

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 3:32 PM
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Well, it's time to call for the cavalry.

I have a table where the optimizer stubbornly insists on doing full table scans for practically every operation in spite of the fact that full table scans have gruesome performance. Every hint I have tried has either been ignored or doesn't help (and yes, I have used hints before and have carefully checked my syntax). The only way I have gotten the optimizer to even use an index on one query was to jam the session settings OPTIMIZER_INDEX_CACHING=100 plus OPTIMIZER_INDEX_COST_ADJ=1 which is not a healthy way to do things. I would appreciate some help in psychoanalyzing the optimizer.

Oracle 8.1.7.3 on Solaris 2.8, all files on a single volume RAID-5 array (I know, I know but I can't do anything about it at the moment).

MDMA_INPUT_FILE is a high transaction table used for data loading and validation. The table is badly denormalized due to decisions made long before I started working here. It has 15 indexes to support the validation GUI (yes, I know, lots of indexes on a high transaction table is insane and I have plans to deal with that in a month or two). At the moment, the table holds over 800K rows. The table has been analyzed.

Here are a couple examples of loony optimizer behavior:

###############################################

SELECT Record_Type, Archive_Input_File
FROM MDMA_Input_File
GROUP BY Record_Type, Archive_Input_File

SELECT STATEMENT Hint=CHOOSE		162  	 	7500
  SORT GROUP BY		162  	6 K	7500
    TABLE ACCESS FULL	MDMA_INPUT_FILE	839 K	31 M	1882

There is a valid index where these two columns are the first of 5 columns. I've tried most permutations of INDEX hints and they are all ignored.

Actually, this statement stemmed from working around a problem of reading the full table ordered by the 5 index columns. The optimizer chose to do a full table scan plus sort (with resultant RAID-5 ugly performance). Apparently, it feels the sort would be quicker than index access -- which might be true on a non-IO bound system.

###############################################

UPDATE mdma_input_file mif

SET partial_day_hold = :b1,

       ok_to_process = :b2,
       vee_usage_end = to_date(:b3)
 WHERE EXISTS (SELECT 1
               FROM st_vee_input_file
		  WHERE mif.rowid=mdma_rowid)

st_vee_input_file is a session temporary table with 96 rows.

UPDATE STATEMENT Hint=CHOOSE		41 K	 	1882	 
  UPDATE	MDMA_INPUT_FILE
    FILTER
      TABLE ACCESS FULL	MDMA_INPUT_FILE	41 K	409 K	1882

      TABLE ACCESS FULL	ST_VEE_INPUT_FILE	82  	574  	7

Unless I can figure this out, I foresee reading the temp table into an array then doing the update in a forall loop. Shouldn't have to do this much coding to work around the optimizer.

Thanks for any help you can give (or sympathy if help is unavailable), Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation

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