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RE: Oracle and OpenVMS (was: Rename Column in 9iR2)

From: Baker, Barbara <bbaker_at_denvernewspaperagency.com>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:13:40 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0046989D.20020523091340@fatcity.com>


Ron:
There's a list at

        iouga-vms-l

The traffic is very-very-very-very light. However, when I've needed help, the responses have been exceptional.

Good luck!
Barb

> ----------
> From: Ron Rogers[SMTP:RROGERS_at_galottery.org]
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:33 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Oracle and OpenVMS (was: Rename Column in 9iR2)
>
> Rich,
> I thank you for the heads up. I have read the install and release
> notes for Oracle on OpenVMS and will approach with a lot of caution. I
> am very familiar with the Unix world commands and expected actions but,
> the OpenVMS commands I have to learn and try to understand before I
> attempt the install. We have 2 boxes and 1 disk farm to use. One box
> will be the development server and the other server will be production.
> I have the advantage of learning with the development install first to
> correct any errors in my install.
> Do you have any suggested links or doc's that would be of help or
> guidance?
> Thanks,
> Ron
> ROR mm
>
> >>> Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com 05/23/02 11:33AM >>>
> As a side note, please please please become familiar with OpenVMS and
> more
> importantly Oracle on OpenVMS before tackling this. At least as far up
> as
> 8i, Oracle has really done themselves a disservice by bastardizing
> their own
> install on OpenVMS. There is no OFA on OpenVMS. It is VERY difficult
> to
> create and maintain a database without using Oracle's horrid scripts.
> Oracle refuses to recognize VMS logicals in the DB (although you can
> fool
> it). And do NOT use OpenVMS if you need MTS because it simply does
> not
> work, even in 9i (see the Midrange forum on MetaClink).
>
> I'm saying this and I'm a huge fan of VMS. I've been working with it
> since
> v4.7 and haven't seen an OS that compares. HOWEVER, for some unknown
> reason, companies that produce software on multiple platforms tend to
> screw
> up their VMS installs. I have no idea why. I've been working in Unix
> for
> four or five years now and just don't understand why people in the
> Unix/Winders world make OpenVMS so difficult! It's EASY!
>
> </soapbox>
>
> VMS (whoops..."OpenVMS") gets a bad rap because of poor marketing, and
> a
> poor understanding of how VMS works by the people that develop on it
> and/or
> manage the systems. Hell, my OpenVMS box here that's running 4 Oracle
> 8.0.5
> instances has had 5 minutes of down time in the past 716 days. And
> that
> downtime was due to a network failure. Five "9"s, baby, and then
> some!
>
> Woah...once again, DBA need beer.
>
> Enjoy! :)
>
> Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator
> Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com Quad/Tech International, Sussex,
> WI USA
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Rogers [mailto:RROGERS_at_galottery.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:04 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re: Rename Column in 9iR2
> >
> >
> > Hemant,
> > The price I am referring to is the cost involved with moving from
> a
> > Dell server on Novell to a Compaq OpenVMS server. There are a lot
> of
> > company sided issues that have to be addressed and cases made for
> the
> > move. In this case the software is not an issues as you stated, the
> > issues revolve around the hardware and developmental considerations.
> I
> > would be more that happy to move to the latest and greatest "solid"
> > platform/database combination. It would allow us to create
> > and implement
> > browser based applications rather easily and would allow us to use
> the
> > 9iAS Suite of products.
> > For now all I can do is make requests for item to be included in
> the
> > budget as we move "forward, backwards, sideways, dance on circles".
> > Ron
> > ROR mm
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