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Re: Oracle and OpenVMS (was: Rename Column in 9iR2)

From: Gene Sais <Gsais_at_co.palm-beach.fl.us>
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:28:39 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.0046975D.20020523082839@fatcity.com>


vms is a great os, if only dec ported it to the intel chip, then ms would not be what it is today. ohh well, that's history. for installs on vms use oracleins not the gui installer. they give you 2 choices, guess b/c the gui doesn't work :). wish they would bring back orainst /c for unix!

gene

>>> Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com 05/23/02 11:33AM >>> As a side note, please please please become familiar with OpenVMS and more importantly Oracle on OpenVMS before tackling this. At least as far up as 8i, Oracle has really done themselves a disservice by bastardizing their own install on OpenVMS. There is no OFA on OpenVMS. It is VERY difficult to create and maintain a database without using Oracle's horrid scripts. Oracle refuses to recognize VMS logicals in the DB (although you can fool it). And do NOT use OpenVMS if you need MTS because it simply does not work, even in 9i (see the Midrange forum on MetaClink).

I'm saying this and I'm a huge fan of VMS. I've been working with it since v4.7 and haven't seen an OS that compares. HOWEVER, for some unknown reason, companies that produce software on multiple platforms tend to screw up their VMS installs. I have no idea why. I've been working in Unix for four or five years now and just don't understand why people in the Unix/Winders world make OpenVMS so difficult! It's EASY!

</soapbox>

VMS (whoops..."OpenVMS") gets a bad rap because of poor marketing, and a poor understanding of how VMS works by the people that develop on it and/or manage the systems. Hell, my OpenVMS box here that's running 4 Oracle 8.0.5 instances has had 5 minutes of down time in the past 716 days. And that downtime was due to a network failure. Five "9"s, baby, and then some!

Woah...once again, DBA need beer.

Enjoy! :)

Rich Jesse                           System/Database Administrator
Rich.Jesse_at_qtiworld.com              Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Rogers [mailto:RROGERS_at_galottery.org]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:04 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: Rename Column in 9iR2
>
>
> Hemant,
> The price I am referring to is the cost involved with moving from a
> Dell server on Novell to a Compaq OpenVMS server. There are a lot of
> company sided issues that have to be addressed and cases made for the
> move. In this case the software is not an issues as you stated, the
> issues revolve around the hardware and developmental considerations. I
> would be more that happy to move to the latest and greatest "solid"
> platform/database combination. It would allow us to create
> and implement
> browser based applications rather easily and would allow us to use the
> 9iAS Suite of products.
> For now all I can do is make requests for item to be included in the
> budget as we move "forward, backwards, sideways, dance on circles".
> Ron
> ROR mm

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