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Yep, I definitely fall into the category you mention re. buy drinks after
work (sometimes !!!), leave work early when necessary etc. but also would at
the end of a good client win/tough time at work really push the boat out and
go for the full hog (meal/drinks etc.) It created a great deal of mutual
respect and also from time to time team members would organise the reverse
where I didn't have to put my hand in my pocket at all.
Christmases were traditionally where the manager would give everyone in the
team something like a bottle of wine/small present each to say thanks for
the hard work over the year. This gradually worked the other way when I
started receiving little gifts from the guys to say thankyou for helping
them through the year. A happy time with a great bunch of people.
Treat as you wish to be treated is a fine "acxiom" (if you forgive the pun !!).
Lee
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[mailto:Rachel_Carmichael_at_Sonymusic.com]
Sent: 08 May 2002 14:33
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
see? I TOLD you all I wasn't a geek :)
I think management style has a lot to do with it as well. Style breaks down into:
managing people
managing projects
in the first case, you take into consideration the people themselves, what
motivates them, what sort of "carrot" you can dangle in front of them, and
treat
them as you would want to be treated (time off if needed, "go home early,
it's
not busy", the occasional "boss buys the drinks after work")
In the second case, you drive work by deadlines, do not consider that the
people
who work for you might have a life and associated problems and needs outside
of
work.
I've NEVER seen a "project" manager well-liked. I've almost always seen a "people" manager well-liked.
And yes, in both cases, the work got done, on time.
Wanna guess which type I try to be?
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I see it like this.
You can split it down further.
Technical people fall into two categories (OK a bit of a generalisation)
Im my experience I find that those who fall under the latter category make good managers.
At my last job there were two production teams. A Platinunm service team and a gold service team dependant on which level of service the client had bought. I headed up the Platinum team, a colleague headed up the other side.
My interests outside of work include cooking, going to soccer matches, socialising (OK, going to bars and drinking) etc. etc. etc
The other guys interests at home were buying all sorts of gadgetry, playing with computers, writing his own operating systems etc. etc
I was regarded as a v. good manager (I still see members of my old team socially and still get praised on my management style).
The other guy (who still works there) was talked about behind his back mistrusted and generally disliked and now works in an environment where he no longer has staff under him.
I think what I am trying to say is that it is OK to be a technical sort and be a manager but I think to be successful you must be a "people person" as well. A lot of geeks out there can only interact with machines and have great difficulty in relating to members of their own species ;-)
Lee
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Sent: 08 May 2002 08:04
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
It all depends on the background of the Manager - where have they built there careers as a Manager. My current Manager wanted me to check some info using TOAD as ORACLE was not able to answer her questions. I work for a MNC that is known thru out the world.
Fazal
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