Re: RMAN

Lisa,
We baclup to disk and use the OS backup to tape to put the backupsets on tape. Disk is much faster and the OS can do the copy to tape in the background whenever.

And don't feel bad about 8.1.7 forever, we are stuck on 8.0.6.3 forever because the contractors who build our application refused to go on to 8i so we can't, ever. The contractors are gone and the boss is afraid of change.

Ruth
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To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:38 AM

> Hi Kimberly, we are on 8.1.7. Like I said below, we are stuck with
Arcserve
> (and limited to 8.1.* because of that). However, I've decided to backup
to
> disk and then let Arcserve grab the datasets and write them to tape. I
was
> able to integrate rman and Arcserve but it was soooooo slow, and since
> neither CA nor the sysadmin could tell me what is involved with backup by
> proxy, I said thanks but no thanks.
>
> I wish we could go to 9.x. I have a feeling it will be a while.
>
> Good luck and happy hunting with 9! I'm jealous.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:ksmith2_at_myfirstlink.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:48 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: RMAN
> >
> > Lisa,
> > What version of Oracle are you using? We are toying with using RMAN to
> > backup our 9i databases. We are using Legato so I am figuring the
> > integration will be pretty good. I never really felt the need to give
up
> > my
> > scripts before but then again, I was always able to back up to disk or
> > shut
> > the database down. No longer the case. Plus, 9i RMAN offers block
level
> > recovery, which peaked my interest.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:18 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I never said setup was easy. I agree that getting the tape software
> > integrated can be a real pain in the side, depending on what vendor you
> > use
> > (DON'T USE CA'S ARCSERVE)
> >
> > As far as backup goes, this is my command for full database backup.
Much
> > simpler than strategies I've had to use in the past:
> >
> > run {
> >
> > allocate channel tape1 type 'sbt_tape'
> > format '%d_%s_%p_%t.rman';
> >
> > backup database
> > tag='full_db_backup'
> > setsize 5000000;
> >
> > }
> >
> > Since I don't have the luxury of a catalog database at my disposal, I
> > can't
> > store scripts so my alter system archive log all statement, backup
> > archivelogs and controlfile are separate run statements.
> >
> > Here's the simplest part. I have tested recovery from several scenarios
> > with just the following commands:
> >
> > restore database;
> > recover database;
> >
> > and watched rman bring back the necessary archive logs and database
files.
> > Now that is simple if you ask me, especially if I happen to be
half-asleep
> > when I need to do this.
> >
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Oracle Database Baby Oven.
> > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > 954-935-4117
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Morgan [SMTP:dave.morgan_at_cybersurf.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:41 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: RMAN
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa,
> > > RMAN easy? ROTFL
> > >
> > > ksh scripts, 5 minutes to adjust environment variables done
> > >
> > > RMAN, let see create a seperate database, set up RMAN, oh,
then
> > > I have to set up RMAN in the production db to protect my RMAN
db
> > >
> > > Oh and then shall we integrate Legato or NetBackup.
> > >
> > > 2 days minimum.
> > >
> > > Having said this, remember, who needs backups? We just need
> > > recoveries.
> > >
> > > I use RMAN, I just don't trust it. I have had situations
(8.0.5)
> > > where
> > > I could not recover with RMAN but could with the backups from
> > > scripts
> > >
> > > RMAN and OEM belong in the same place, the garbage
> > >
> > > Long live vi, ksh/sh/bash and sqlplus
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Lisa wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Gene's afraid of R-Man!
> > > > Gene's afraid of R-Man!
> > > >
> > > > Gene you will not believe how simple RMAN is once you start using
> > it...
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Morgan
> > > DBA, Cybersurf
> > > Office: 403 777 2000 ext 284
> > > --
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