RE: Oracle Wants Users to Hand over Apps Management

Uncle Larry (and his cohorts) issue such Earth-shaking, 'Future-direction-for-IT' type pronouncements as a way of assuring themselves when they are in a hole. Hate to say it, but there are a lot of Internal Oracle 'Consultants' without projects and Oracle would like to keep them employed at $300/hour!

That said, Market forces will drive consolidations, whether in the Data Centre or Services, and the bean-counters will win in the end. Whether they are ultimately right or wrong does not matter in the 'now' - every organizations wants to show 'current profit' (which cannot be lied about, unless you are Enron and employ Arthur Andersen :) and project large profits in the future 'if we take this path'.

The Internet was barely out of the Univs. about 8 years ago and look where we are now. Let's not pooh-pooh future possibilites, and instead concentrate on being prepared. In this case, I would look at Tools or technologies that would automate what I do as a DBA - whether in monitoring/fixing problems or in tuning or better automating backup/restore. For example, I would support an OEM implementation for 'point-and-click' types, but understand the SQL and scripts behind it, which will ensure that I can understand what's going on. This will make me more valuable than someone who is seen as a rebel who resists moving to new technologies and definitely more valuable than a newbie who has no clue about how OEM does what it does...

John Kanagaraj
Oracle Applications DBA
DBSoft Inc
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:29 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle Wants Users to Hand over Apps Management
>
>
> Oracle has been saying for years that you wil no longer need DBAs. I
> suppose it's possible, although the database gets more and more
> complicated each release, as more and more new features that can shoot
> themselves in the foot are added.
>
> On the other hand, SOMEONE will need those DBAs. Oracle? And
> isn't this
> just a little bit like that monopoly that Larry was so insistent on
> toppling?
>
>
> --- Mark Leith <mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk> wrote:
> > What got me was another quote by Jeff Henley:
> >
> > "This is really the way most customers are going to want to have
> > their
> > software delivered over time. The bulk of our customers are going to
> > operate
> > this way in the not-too-distant future," Henley said. "We offer much
> > faster
> > implementation, much lower cost and much better service."
> >
> > Another line that says "all DBAs will be redundant in the
> > not-too-distant
> > future"! Are they saying that Oracle support offers a much better
> > service
> > and response time than a well trained DBA can? Fair enough with bug
> > checking
> > and alike, but how long does it take for a lot of you to get iTARS
> > answered
> > etc.?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Dave
> > Sent: 26 March 2002 15:18
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Another publicity blunder by Uncle Larry.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 8:03 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Oracle Wants Users to Hand over Apps Management
> >
> >
> > Putting muscle behind the outsourcing model of application
> > management,
> > Oracle Corp. said it is starting an international campaign to
> > persuade
> > customers to hand over maintenance of their Oracle software.
> >
> > "We have decided to go in and actively go after our installed base
> > and tell
> > them that this is a better way to [run Oracle applications]," said
> > Jeff
> > Henley, Oracle's chief financial officer, speaking to financial
> > analysts in
> > New York yesterday. "We will put the sales guys on it and invest
> > heavily in
> > capacity."
> >
> > For full story:
> > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO69446,00.html
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