RE: Oracle Gold Support

No man, your life will be so much easier on 2000 even with all the crap you mentioned. First off, I have done quite a few upgrades of 98 and all were well. But even if you did a fresh install it would be no more then half a day for years of piece and quite.

-----Original Message-----
Al-Zawawi
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hi Igor,

Yes, 9i "Personal Edition" is certified to run in Win 98.

I've love to upgrade to Win2K but it's just not feasible at the moment. I have so much crap on there, configured, DSL here, VPN there, InterDev that, and so on and so on (crappola for work) -- it would be a massive pain that I just can't endure at the moment. Hopefully I'll just upgrade my entire workstation sometime later this year, and take care of business then.

Thanks,
JoJo

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:33 AM
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JoJo,

Did you check, if 9i is certified to run on Win98? I doubt it. (though still might work, even - not being certified for this platform). Also, you mentioned, installation "bombs" on db creation. Could be, because default memory settings in default init.ora parameter file for "starter" db (db_block_buffers, shared_pool_size, log_buffer, etc.) are to high for your hardware configuration. If you still want to create "starter" db using oracle provided scripts, modify memory parameters in init.ora accordingly.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
ineyman_at_perceptron.com

• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:28 PM

> Thanks Igor -- I may try again (this way) and see what happens.
>
> By the way, I'm running Win98 and was attempting to install 9i Personal
> Edition, which is supposed to run on Win98. If I get desperate enough, I
> could install it on one of our dev servers (NT or Win2K), but I really
> wanted it right on my own PC.
>
> Thanks again,
> JoJo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 12:44 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> JoJo,
>
> You choose "Custom" install, and when it asks, if you want "starter" db,
> say - "no".
>
> Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
> ineyman_at_perceptron.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:58 PM
>
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > I currently have Windows automatically setting my VM, and my settings
show
> > currently 1,825 MB. So I don't get why this isn't working.
> >
> > How do I tell the installer not to create the DB for me?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Robert
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:39 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I have ALOT of VM setup...
> >
> > Looking.. at... my ... laptop... configuration...
> >
> > I currently have 143MB of virtual memory allocated. I think I have
> > actually reduced that from 256MB when I did the install.
> >
> > Hint #2, do not allow the installer to create the database for you.
> > that adds significantly additional memory requirements. So, install
> > the software, then start DBCA separately.
> >
> > RF
> >
> > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> > Oracle DBA Technical Lead
> > CSX Midtier Database Administration
> >
> > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can
> > take his freedom away from him.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 1:03 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > No kidding ??? How much virtual memory do you have set ???
> >
> > Every time I tried to install 9i, it would get to the database cloning
> part
> > and bomb completely.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Robert
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 8:29 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Interesting... I have 9i installed on a laptop with 64 megs... :-)
> > Virtual memory does wonders! :-)
> >
> > RF
> >
> > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> > Oracle DBA Technical Lead
> > CSX Midtier Database Administration
> >
> > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can
> > take his freedom away from him.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 6:35 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > At the time, I was brand-spankin' new to Oracle, and didn't even know
> > technet existed. I was looking at the "product info" pages where you
> > purchase products (which usually at least show system requirements when
> you
> > click on the "more info" button type of thing). Since I couldn't find
the
> > data there, I called Sales, who could not help me... they assured me
that
> > they were sure my system was up to snuff (with 192 megs RAM). When I
> tried
> > to install, it bombed repeatedly and had to be manually uninstalled each
> > time. I couldn't get any help whatsoever at all unless I purchased
> service,
> > at which time they told me simply that I needed more memory (256 megs).
> > Even buying service was a pain in the behind -- apparently it's a new
> thing
> > that you can buy service after buying the license, and the service sales
> > dept didn't know about this. Don't forget that they also entered 2
> separate
> > invoices for the license and charged my credit card twice (at several
> > hundred bucks a pop). That was a whole other story, getting that fixed
> up.
> > With 40,000 employees, I found that dealing with Oracle was like dealing
> > with a small country.
> >
> > --JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Robert
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:29 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I don't understand this.... the product (the RDBMS) can be downloaded
> > for FREE from oracle.com.....the doc's are free to look at at
> > technet.oracle.com, including specific platform install guides which
> > contain product requirements (as seen here)
> >
> >
>

http://otn.oracle.com/docs/products/oracle9i/doc_library/90111install/reqs.h
> > tm#1195223
> >
> > All the requirements are freely available. While I think it was terrible
> > that your sales folks didn't know what these requirements were, I think
> > it is inaccurate to say that you were made to purchase anything. All the
> > info is freely available... in fact a google search for
> > "Oracle9i Memory requirements" found me plenty of information. I think
you
> > bear some responsibility in this as well.
> >
> >
> > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> > Oracle DBA Technical Lead
> > CSX Midtier Database Administration
> >
> > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can
> > take his freedom away from him.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 4:33 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > They made me purchase customer support before they would even tell me
the
> > system requirements for 9i (which I had already purchased, including a
> > personal 2-year license). It turns out that I need to buy more memory
and
> > can't install the product. That tee'd me off ! I couldn't get a
> > salesperson anywhere to tell me the requirements, and it definitely
wasn't
> > on the product info pages on their site.
> >
> > --JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Robert
> > Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Anyone else just slightly irritated with the level of customer support
> > offered for phone callers to Oracle now days? Used to be, that if you
> > were a gold customer as we are, you could almost count on instant first
> line
> > support. Last week I called and was told that a phone call would
> > result in at least a one hour delay in an analyst call back, whereas
> > an iTar (lie tars I call em) will get me about 30 minute response.
> > The representative was rude and snarly to me at the same time.
> > Is this how Larry wants to save that second billion, crappy customer
> > service?
> >
> > RF
> >
> > Robert G. Freeman - Oracle8i OCP
> > Oracle DBA Technical Lead
> > CSX Midtier Database Administration
> >
> > The Cigarette Smoking Man: Anyone who can appease a man's conscience can
> > take his freedom away from him.
> >
> >
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