RE: Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design. Help!

Hello Dennis

You missed the point.

If we could make the transition, sometimes lead it, from punch cards to internet we can do ANYTHING.

I was leading the transition from cards to diskettes, to online work and to the use of database in my previous employment. In my current employment, after 15 years in ADABAS on MF I am leading the oracle team here, on NT.

Those young Turks out there are specialist that may or may not adjust to a new environment.
We have already proven ourselves.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
adary_at_mehish.co.il

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_lifetouch.com]
> Sent: Mon, March 04, 2002 5:13 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design. Help!
>
> Geez, will you guys knock it off. Like many of you, I started on punch
> cards. But now my management is yammering about wanting "young Turks", and
> I'm trying to remind myself that I still have many youthful ideas to
> contribute. Your one-upmanship about who started with the most archaic
> form
> of technology isn't making me feel any better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:23 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Well, if you want to be nostalgic:
> We worked then on an IBM mainframe, 360/25, that we programmed
> the firmware by toggles after almost each power break.
> This mainframe has 28K memory that was used 24k for programs
> and 4K for writer. One heck of a mainframe.
>
> Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
> adary_at_mehish.co.il
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [SMTP:wisernet100_at_yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Sun, March 03, 2002 2:53 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design. Help!
> >
> > I had a teacher in college who could program the machine by flipping
> > the switches on the front.
> >
> > We had paper tape, a step up from the plugs :)
> >
> >
> > --- אדר_יחיאל <adary_at_mehish.co.il> wrote:
> > > Well it was punched cards but ...
> > > we also had a machine that was programmed (almost beads)
> > > by using plugs connected by wire and inserted in various holes
> > > on the control panel.
> > > We had some control panels that make "spaghetti" look like
> > > a set of straight lines.
> > >
> > > Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
> > > adary_at_mehish.co.il
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Cupp [SMTP:michaelcupp_at_SHONAC.com]
> > > > Sent: Fri, March 01, 2002 3:08 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: RE: Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design.
> Help!
> > > >
> > > > 30 years? Wasn't that involved in sliding wooden beads on a metal
> > > stick?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:33 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-BTW It so happens that this month is the month that
> > > > >-30 years ago (1972) I started to learn computers
> > > >
> > > > Punch cards perhaps!!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:18 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Don
> > > >
> > > > You will be suprised but the folks around here usually
> > > > come to the dba before, after and during designing .
> > > > They know the value of an experienced dba (> 20 years).
> > > >
> > > > BTW It so happens that this month is the month that
> > > > 30 years ago (1972) I started to learn computers
> > > > and am doing damage since then.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
> > > > adary_at_mehish.co.il
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bill thater [SMTP:bthater2_at_netscape.net]
> > > > > Sent: Thu, February 28, 2002 6:13 PM
> > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject: Re: Manager decrees "his" data warehouse design.
> > Help!
> > > > >
> > > > > dgoulet_at_vicr.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >A very true set of statements on all sides. I've done as much &
> > > am
> > > > > >in
> > > > > the
> > > > > >process once again. I just wish that once in my life as a DBA I
> > > did
> > > > > >not
> > > > > have to
> > > > > >cleanup someone else's mess. Now if you all don't mind, I'm off
> > > to
> > > > > >the
> > > > > hardware
> > > > > >store for a new shovel!! :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > you mean they would actually consult you when the application was
> > >
> > > > > being
> > > > > designed, so you could help provide a design that was efficient
> > > and easy
> > > >
> > > > > to maintain?
> > > > >
> > > > > yea, right. not even in my dreams.;-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > --
> > > > > Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA
> > > > > bthater2_at_netscape.net
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > > It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work.
> > > > >
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