RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users

Adary - Wow that is not good! Has anyone else encountered this situation? Does the licensing fee have a name? Any indication if it differs between US and non-US licensing?
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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Hello Dennis

We operate here on a site license that cover our internal users and servers. About a month ago we talked with oracle about a database that will be connected to
our internet site.
They come back and said that we need a separate license for this and our regular site
license cover only INTERNAL use.
You need a separate license if you use the DB VIA internet. I do not know if it is named or CPU or whatever.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
adary_at_mehish.co.il

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_lifetouch.com]
> Sent: Wed, February 20, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
>
> Can anyone provide more details on "Web licensing"? I asked our manager
> that
> negotiates the Oracle licensing and he was only aware of Named and CPU
> (formerly UPU) licensing for unlimited users. I checked at Oraclestore,
> and
> it only shows Named and Processor licensing. If we are missing something,
> I
> would like to avoid a nasty licensing surprise.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:38 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Web Licensing means that you use the DB for applications that are accessed
> through the internet,
> NOT INTRANET.
>
> Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
> adary_at_mehish.co.il
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_lifetouch.com]
> > Sent: Wed, February 20, 2002 12:08 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: Oracle Licensing - Concurrent users
> >
> > Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
> > licensing?
> > Thanks.
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:05 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
> > appear on the web, as Oracle will want you to use a web license
> > (extremely expensive) even if the data is not directly accessed but
> > appears on the web in static pages generated from the Oracle database.
> >
> >
> > --- Stephane Faroult <sfaroult_at_oriole.com> wrote:
> > > "Smith, Ron L." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients
> > > using
> > > > Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
> > > licensing.
> > > > We have about 100 instances to monitor.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what "Concurrent users" might
> > > mean to
> > > > the majority of people?
> > > >
> > > > We have both Oracle 7 and Oracle 8.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Smith
> > > > DBA
> > > > Kerr-McGee Corp
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I have just been working on this for one of my customers last
> > > week. The obvious thing is to query V$SESSION at regular intervals
> > > (dbms_job can help) and what you can do is store the result through a
> > > database link to a single instance. Where it was tricky was that we
> > > wanted to identify 'system' processes (easy, except that job
> > > processes
> > > are marked as 'USER', which is debatable), and (that's where the snag
> > > is) processes which are the results of a connection through a
> > > database
> > > link. The logic is that a database link is initiated by a 'normal'
> > > connection - for which the full-blown licence is already paid. So
> > > they
> > > should not exactly count as much as regular connection; and if this
> > > is
> > > not a good argument, then it is probably possible to reduce their
> > > number
> > > by shifting around applications. Ultimately we could apply Larry's
> > > favorite concept of 'single instance' (anyway I have always found DB
> > > links messy).
> > > My trouble was that nothing, but human knowledge, can tell whether
> > > the
> > > connection comes from a database link or is genuine (if somebody has
> > > a
> > > way, please share !). All the user information (machine, program,
> > > module, action ...) comes from the initial connection and is
> > > propagated.
> > > I have solved this (not fully satisfactorily) by having a table
> > > automatically inserted with unknown (machine, program) pairs and
> > > manually updated to say 'If we see this program on this database,
> > > then
> > > it comes from a database link' - or 'anything coming from this
> > > machine
> > > must come from a database link'. Added something for connection from
> > > HTTP servers, although I doubt that those will be spontaneously
> > > discussed during the negotiation.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Stephane Faroult
> > > Oriole Ltd
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