I too went through this mess (twice). A CPU license gets you unlimited. If
it's on the web, they don't like the idea of using an application server
that utilizes one connection with internal login/logout capability/security.
Why twice? Second time, management and developers thought they could get
around pricing.
Anything else is to pad the sales commision.
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that's not the terminology they used when talkikng about it with me.
the sales rep specifically said "web license" which led me to believe
it was another form of pricing.
- DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
> Rachel - By Web license, do you mean the unlimited-user CPU-based
> licensing?
> Thanks.
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:05 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> you need to be careful if you are also using databases whose contents
> appear on the web, as Oracle will want you to use a web license
> (extremely expensive) even if the data is not directly accessed but
> appears on the web in static pages generated from the Oracle
> database.
>
>
> --- Stephane Faroult <sfaroult_at_oriole.com> wrote:
> > "Smith, Ron L." wrote:
> > >
> > > We have been asked to gather statistics on the number of clients
> > using
> > > Oracle. This is being done to determine if we have sufficient
> > licensing.
> > > We have about 100 instances to monitor.
> > >
> > > Has anyone done this? Any ideas on what "Concurrent users" might
> > mean to
> > > the majority of people?
> > >
> > > We have both Oracle 7 and Oracle 8.
> > >
> > > Ron Smith
> > > DBA
> > > Kerr-McGee Corp
> > >
> >
> > Well, I have just been working on this for one of my customers last
> > week. The obvious thing is to query V$SESSION at regular intervals
> > (dbms_job can help) and what you can do is store the result through
> a
> > database link to a single instance. Where it was tricky was that we
> > wanted to identify 'system' processes (easy, except that job
> > processes
> > are marked as 'USER', which is debatable), and (that's where the
> snag
> > is) processes which are the results of a connection through a
> > database
> > link. The logic is that a database link is initiated by a 'normal'
> > connection - for which the full-blown licence is already paid. So
> > they
> > should not exactly count as much as regular connection; and if this
> > is
> > not a good argument, then it is probably possible to reduce their
> > number
> > by shifting around applications. Ultimately we could apply Larry's
> > favorite concept of 'single instance' (anyway I have always found
> DB
> > links messy).
> > My trouble was that nothing, but human knowledge, can tell whether
> > the
> > connection comes from a database link or is genuine (if somebody
> has
> > a
> > way, please share !). All the user information (machine, program,
> > module, action ...) comes from the initial connection and is
> > propagated.
> > I have solved this (not fully satisfactorily) by having a table
> > automatically inserted with unknown (machine, program) pairs and
> > manually updated to say 'If we see this program on this database,
> > then
> > it comes from a database link' - or 'anything coming from this
> > machine
> > must come from a database link'. Added something for connection
> from
> > HTTP servers, although I doubt that those will be spontaneously
> > discussed during the negotiation.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Stephane Faroult
> > Oriole Ltd
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