RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)

Hello JoJo

Do not stop using the list and asking silly questions. Of course, smart questions are a lot better. I did a blooper myself a week ago and got the deserved responses. So what. I learn a lot and enjoy even a good flame.

Yechiel Adar, Mehish Computer Services
adary_at_mehish.co.il

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JoJo Al-Zawawi [SMTP:jojo_at_jojo-zawawi.com]
> Sent: Tue, January 29, 2002 11:46 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
>
> Yeah....as I replied to a kind gentleman who wrote me off-list, I think I
> will simply refrain from posting at all, since this place is a bit touchy.
> As I said, I'm totally a newbie (I just started my classes last week).
>
> --JoJo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Travis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:28 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> prepare for the flood....
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JoJo Al-Zawawi [mailto:jojo_at_jojo-zawawi.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 3:16 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: RTFM questions (formally RE: PL/SQL)
> >
> >
> > I'm a complete newbie, so I may be off-base here, but I believe that
> > truncating a table does not delete any data from the table.
> > It moves the
> > cursor up, thereby closing up the "empty space" where data
> > has previously
> > been deleted.
> >
> > --JoJo
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:46 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > To our resident Oracle Expert who just 6 months (July 26
> > 2001) ago posted
> > the following e-mail
> >
> >
> > If I remember rightly, deleting rows from the table does NOT free up
> > tablespace. In order to do that you have to trunctate the
> > table (although
> > this of course deletes all data from the table)...I can't for
> > the life of me
> > remember how you adjust the space the table is actually using
> > after doing a
> > delete...(to everyone else) would an analyze work?
> >
> > Kev.
> >
> > "would and analyze work", leave it out kev(or thomas), my sides are
> > splitting Im laughing that much"
> > "Dude you really are a sage"
> > I agree dude, you tell them beginners how u became such an expert in 6
> > months and didn't come out with stupid ****** comments like
> > above, and dude,
> > explain more about this defrag,space adjusting tool "the
> > analyze command":
> >
> > Unfortunately I only got dragged into this because I just saw
> > one of your
> > rude replies and I was having a bad day and didn't like your
> > attitude., I
> > have no idea about the guy you were slagging off as I don't
> > get time to read
> > all the posts, but it looks like 6 months ago you were no
> > better than him,
> > and nobody on the list, I recall, treated you with the
> > contempt that you
> > actually deserved.
> >
> > As somebody on the list said "opinions are like arseholes,
> > everybody's got
> > one and they all stink" (classic ,classic quote):
> >
> > Anyhow I rest my case Kev (or thomas):
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:12 PM
> >
> >
> > > And your point caller??
> > >
> > > TIC ;o)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: 29 January 2002 15:41
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > No offense to anybody, but I think this is rather arrogant.
> > The list is
> > for
> > > anybody (unless the list owner decides it's just for
> > experienced dba's). I
> > > am brand new to Oracle, having just started learning it
> > this week. I can
> > > easily foresee having what some might consider stupid or
> > RTFM questions,
> > and
> > > being possibly unable to find the answer or having problems
> > deciphering
> > the
> > > manual. I myself am somewhat of a Word pro (and my vba
> > code samples page
> > is
> > > the #1 ranked site of its kind on most major search
> > engines) and I help
> > all
> > > kinds of newbies out on a Word list of which I am a member,
> > as do all the
> > > other members of the list. Everybody on that list is
> > extremely gracious
> > and
> > > nobody complains -- and the people with questions get the
> > help they need,
> > > with nobody sitting back going "boy are you stupid / lazy".
> > I am hoping
> > > that I can get the same kind of help here, when I am ready
> > for it, that I
> > > and others give on other lists.
> > >
> > > --JoJo
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:20 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The problem is that if you always ask the group for help,
> > you never learn
> > > where the information is within the manuals or other reference
> > documentation
> > > and the group also gets cluttered with trivia.
> > >
> > > I agree with you that the list is here to help people and I
> > personally do
> > > not mind the odd naive question from a new DBA, but it is
> > the "...can't be
> > > bothered to look up the manual.." attitude that is most
> > frustrating. When
> > > you ask the format of a command (for example) to the list, you are
> > > potentionally asking 1000's of people the same question who
> > will all have
> > to
> > > spend the time to filter these questions - we are all busy
> > people and I
> > > personally do not want to use my time in this way. I'm
> > sure you can see
> > > that this is a much more expensive option than asking the
> > person next to
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Craig.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > <mailto:rabbit_at_emirates.net.ae> ]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 2:55 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Why do you bother being on this List: The list is here to
> > help fellow
> > > DBA'S. Have you never said to one of your collegues , what
> > is the format
> > of
> > > this command, or how can I do that, when you simply cant be
> > bothered to
> > > look it up in the manual (either your busy or just down right lazy):
> > > Sometimes this list is useful for just that. So why dont u
> > lighten up
> > dude.
> > >
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