RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box

From: Kimberly Smith <ksmith2_at_myfirstlink.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:56:41 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003F71B9.20020122070027@fatcity.com>

The top for Sun is not as good as the top for HP IMO.

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Patrice J
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

The sa's here installed "top" on all the solaris servers.

It's not bundled with the OS but it is available as solaris freeware.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services        | Services technologiques
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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:55 PM

To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:        RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box

I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything.

Julie Fisher
Sandia National Laboratories
Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i
Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator

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Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM
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Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards,
Sergey

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM

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Subject:        RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box

Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

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Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM
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Hi, Dennis,
Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards,
Sergey

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM

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Subject:        RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box

Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another.

Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future:

MS W2K
Linux
Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM
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Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much,
Sergey Babich

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM

To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject:        RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box

Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior.

Thank you,

Paul Sherman
DBA
voice - 781-501-4143 (office)
fax - 781-278-8341 (office)
email - psherman_at_elcom.com

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM
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Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere.

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM
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Hi, dear listers,
My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that...
The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Sergey Babich
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