Re: designer6i vs. designer2000

My experience in going from Oracle CASE 5 to Oracle Designer 2000 made it very clear to me that character mode was much faster, at least in this case.

Using the same functionality in Designer 2000 took *much* longer in D2k than it ever did in CASE 5.

Part of this was due not to the move from Forms 3 to Forms 5 or 6, but the move away from Forms to a navigation tree that requires you to use the mouse for many operations.

e.g. Within Forms it's possible to retrieve a set of records based on criteria entered into fields in the form. This made it a fairly simple operation to retrieve all indexes in a particular tablespace and change storage parameters.

With D2k+, this is a very mousy operation, and takes at least twice as long, probably more like 3-4 times as long.

It was a consequence not so much of going to to a different environment as it was the designers decision to bow to pressure to make their product look more like other Windoze products.

At least, that's my take on it.

Jared

On Sunday 20 January 2002 01:20, Mogens Nørgaard wrote:
> Oh, how I've missed these discussions between bittet, old men and women :).
>
> Usually people just ARE more productive with linemode or text based
> applications compared to GUI and webstuff. It could - theoretically - be
> connected to the response times of the applications and the need
> constantly to move your hands away from the keyboard :-).
>
> I recently reviewed a couple of Oracle Apps Release 11i sites after they
> upgraded from 10.7 (text based) and the people who really needed to type
> in lots of stuff during the day (Order Entry, Acconts Rec., etc.) saw
> their productivity go way down. The coming years should see a huge need
> for people who can create fast forms where you don't need to take your
> hands off the keyboard, don't need to see fancy drop-down, pull-up and
> pull-sideways menues. Line Mode Men vs. Gui Girls. It's gonna be a tough
> battle... and the winners will be people who can use various interfaces
> in order to provide fast, basic functionality to fancy ERP and other
> product types.
>
> Mogens
>
> Eric D. Pierce wrote:
> >http://www.oracle.com/corporate/investor_relations/news/index.html?history
> >.html
> >
> > "1993 Moves character mode applications to the
> > client/server model "
> >
> >
> >----------------
> >
> >(free registration required:)
> >
> >http://otn.oracle.com/products/designer/pdf/50426.pdf
> >
> >-
> >
> >http://otn.oracle.com/products/designer/pdf/18585.pdf
> >
> >-
> >
> >http://otn.oracle.com/products/designer/content.html
> >
> >-
> >
> >
> >
> >----------------
> >
> >
> >Oracle product naming/versioning history is a
> >legendary mess.
> >
> >Designer/2000, and Developer/2000, which came out
> >around 1997(?) were "v1" or "v2".
> >
> >They were compatible with Forms4 and Forms5.
> >
> >Designer 6i is "v6".
> >
> >fwiw, *Developer*/2000 only runs on Win98 or NT4
> >(can't use on Windows2000).
> >
> >It might be the same for Designer/2000.
> >
> >See http://www.odtug.com ,
> >http://www.odtug.com/subscrib.htm
> >
> >
> >ORACLE-L Digest -- Volume 2002, Number 016
> >
> >>------------------------------
> >>
> >> From: Andrea Oracle <andreaoracle_at_yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:05:53 -0800 (PST)
> >> Subject: designer6i vs. designer2000
> >>
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Is Designer 2000 and Designer 6i similar? They are
> >>about data modeling, aren't they. If I'd like to
> >>learn one, which one do you recommended? Thanks!

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