RE: The OCP bar is being raised

Maybe I am completely misreading this.  However, I didn't see the 8 to 9 OCP upgrade and that is why I said, you'll have to take them over again.  If I am completely out to lunch and this is just a re-org of the Masters and OCP and those 8 OCP can get OCM with 2 classes and a test, then I apologize for wasting your time and bandwidth, but from what I read (and it was a quick read) even if you are 8 OCP, you still have to have the 9 OCA and OCP before you can get the 9 OCM. 

--Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Raube [mailto:joe_at_fullmoondba.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised

Of course, those of us who already have the OCP and want to be called a 'master'
just need to take the 2 required courses and then the OCM exam.

When looking at the details, they just split the previous 5 exam OCP into two tiers,
a 2 exam OCA, and a 2 exam OCP which has the OCA as a prerequisite.

The Oracle Master was always available, but without a test -- it just required taking ILT courses. They just added a practicum exam to make the OCM cert.

I can see your point about this being a 'money grab', but the only new item here is the OCM practicum exam -- everything else existed for 8 and 8i.

-Joe

At 07:05 AM 1/10/02 -0800, you wrote:

>I'd say the cost is being raised.  Look at the requirements for each.  You
>can't just take the OCM exam.  No we would first have to get the
>OCA.  Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have
>it.  Then, and only then, can we take the OCP.  Then and only then, can we
>take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle
>Ed.  So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still, has to spend
>money in a class that they could probably teach from memory before they
>can get certification and that is after getting 2 other certs that have no
>value to them.  Call me a cynic, but to me, this is nothing but a money grab.
>
> From the website:
>
>--To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required
>-- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role. Typically,
>--two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the Internet,
>--while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. By
>--completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward achieving the
>-- Oracle Certified Professional credential.
>
>--To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all required
>exams
>--in your selected job role, including those at the Associate level.
>
>--To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle
>--Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM credential
>--requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses from
>--the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum exam.
>
>--Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dgoulet_at_vicr.com [<mailto:dgoulet_at_vicr.com>mailto:dgoulet_at_vicr.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: The OCP bar is being raised
>
>Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time:
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>---
>Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) Achievement
>
>A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted database
>professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of
>Professional
>Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on Certification,
>58% of
>respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle Certified
>Professionals-Database Administrators.
>
>To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of
>professional
>achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and Java
>Developers
>worldwide):
>
>The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle qualification
>requiring successful completion of two exams.
>The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for Oracle
>Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a practicum
>exam
>on-sitee at an Oracle University education center.
>Visit
><http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html>http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html

>
>for more information
>
>IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001
>crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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