From ksmith2@myfirstlink.net Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:33:01 -0800 From: "Kimberly Smith" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:33:01 -0800 Subject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: RE: The OCP bar is being raised Actually, looks like to me that they simply revised their Masters program.  Its exactly the same requirements except they now added an exam at the end.  Not to many folks were going after the Master level except for the actual Oracle employees. -----Original Message-----From: root@fatcity.com [mailto:root@fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Bowes, ChrisSent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:05 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: The OCP bar is being raised I'd say the cost is being raised.  Look at the requirements for each.  You can't just take the OCM exam.  No we would first have to get the OCA.  Whether or not we need the entry level cert we have to have it.  Then, and only then, can we take the OCP.  Then and only then, can we take the OCM and that is after we take these REQUIRED classes from Oracle Ed.  So someone the caliber of Steve Adams or Jared Still, has to spend money in a class that they could probably teach from memory before they can get certification and that is after getting 2 other certs that have no value to them.  Call me a cynic, but to me, this is nothing but a money grab. From the website: --To become an Oracle Associate, you must pass the exams required -- for the Oracle Associate level of your selected job role. Typically, --two exams are required; the first one can be taken via the Internet, --while subsequent exams must be taken in a proctored environment. By --completing your Oracle Associate, you are half-way toward achieving the -- Oracle Certified Professional credential. --To become an Oracle Certified Professional, you must pass all required exams --in your selected job role, including those at the Associate level. --To become an Oracle Certified Master, you must first be an Oracle --Certified Professional. Additionally, achieving your OCM credential --requires attending two advanced level Oracle University courses from --the list shown on this page as well as passing the OCM Practicum exam. --Chris -----Original Message----- From: dgoulet@vicr.com [mailto:dgoulet@vicr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 9:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: The OCP bar is being raised Anyone care to comment on the following, IMHO it's about time: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Introducing two new levels of Oracle Certified Professional (OCP) Achievement   A recent *IDC report on IT Education and Training Services quoted database professionals and network engineers as the fastest-growing areas of Professional Certification. And in an October survey from *crn.com on Certification, 58% of respondents said that it is very difficult to find qualified Oracle Certified Professionals-Database Administrators. To meet this demand, we have recently introduced two new levels of professional achievement to DBAs (and soon to be released to Application and Java Developers worldwide): The Oracle Certified Associate (OCA) -- an entry-level Oracle qualification requiring successful completion of two exams. The Oracle Certified Master (OCM) -- an advanced qualification for Oracle Certified Professionals (OCP), that requires students to take a practicum exam on-sitee at an Oracle University education center. Visit http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/news/index.html?certlevels.html for more information IDC, IT Education and Training, Sept 2001 crn.com, Certification: What's Hot, What's Not, Oct 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author:   INET: dgoulet@vicr.com Fat City Network Services    -- (858) 538-5051  FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California        -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru@fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from).  You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).