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RE: RE: database administration questions
RE: RE: database administration questions
Evelyn Wood David A. BarbourOracle DBA, OCPAISD512-414-1002 "Boivin, Patrice J"
Sent by: root@fatcity.com12/27/2001 10:50 AM PSTPlease respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L cc: bcc: Subject: RE: RE: database administration questions A problem with RTFM is when the manual is over 10,000 pages long.Regards,Patrice BoivinSystems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -----Original Message-----Sent:Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:15 PMTo:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject:RE: RE: database administration questionsYeah, once they find out this job isn't a cakewalk, they vanish.For those that:* live for challenge* are afraid of nothing and not intimidated by complexity* make that, 'love complexity' )* can't forget about a problem until it's fixed* willing to RTFM til they drop* design and execute tests to understand how things work* RTFM some more* drive technology. Hey, there's more to a good DBA than databases.* did I mention RTFM?* learn from their mistakes* admit they make mistakes* RTFM to minimize mistakesAll others need not apply.Jared"No guts, no glory" ) "Kimberly Smith" To: Multiple recipients oflist ORACLE-L Subject: RE: RE: databaseadministration questions Sent by: root@fatcity.co m 12/27/01 09:00 AM Please respond to ORACLE-LYou need to find some new cooks then.-----Original Message-----dgoulet@vicr.comSent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:50 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LIn our shop we've tried the cross training tact. Problem was that thosewhoaccepted the challenge could not take the heat, so they left the kitchen.Damn!!!Dick Goulet____________________Reply Separator____________________Author: "CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)" Date: 12/26/2001 4:50 PMI quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle programmerbut wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss whetherIcould be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need tomaintain my current systems. Now, I am a databaseadministrator-cum-programmer. I support turnkey projects, automateprocesses for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintaindatabase& support Oracle Applications etc.Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots ofinteresting things in the process ....New Bees -----Original Message----- From: Kimberly Smith [mailto:ksmith2@MYFIRSTLINK.NET] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: database administration questions If you work on a site like I do you could always crosstrain. I am always looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup. RightnowI use one from the Unix team and one from the development team. Its theonly way I get to take vacations and what no. Check with your current DBAandsee if they are willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real'job. Of course, there are some folks who are worried about job security (orare just assholes) and they would not give you the time of day. You don'twantto learn from those folks anyway. The excuse, "I'm too busy" is notreally valid either. Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work. -----Original Message----- dgoulet@vicr.com Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L With your current background, your more likely to land ajobas a network administrator LONG before you'll end up in a databaseposition. Access is still looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't runinto any large scale applications that use it, period. One of my current tasksis working with a forecasting package that states in the manual that Accessshould only be used for the demos. Any other application of the package shoulduse Oracle or DB2. Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those whodon'tknow, don't ask further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them)won't work with Access even for the demos. Therefore, I'd suggest staying withthenetworking world. It will be around as long as database administration, ifnotlonger. Your already trained and certified, and getting a Ciscocertification is no small feat. If you really want to move into database admin, yourprobably looking at 2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you payyour dues. BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer thanfixing a network outage, to boot. Dick Goulet ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: LBanzali@aol.com Date: 12/23/2001 11:15 PM Hi! I'm looking into getting into the field of DatabaseAdministrating. Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have createdseveral databases for companies that I have worked with in the past with Access. I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logicalstep for me, I would think, would be in database field. However, I also havesome networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into theadvantages of both fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask orwhere to get my answers. But, here they go: Questions for a Database Administrator: 1) What is your typical workday like? 2) Do you work a lot of overtime? 3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn? 4) If I was to look into learning these, should I takeclasses? Where would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area? 5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, VisualBasic, etc.)? 6) What programs are starting to get obsolete? 7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft,Oracle)? If so, are there certain books that you recommend to study? 8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what specificone? 9) Are there any other programs or technologies that arevaluable to learn? 10) Are there any associations or other groups that youbelong to as a DBA? 11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs? 12) What companies do you recommed to work for? Know ofanycurrently hiring? 13) With my background, what is the best way to advance andwork my way into a real DBA position? Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with atleast some answers to some of the questions. I really appreciate your help!!! Please, respond to me at lbanzali@aol.com smiles, me thank you! Hi!
I'm looking into getting into the field of DatabaseAdministrating. Right now, I have experience with MS Access and havecreated several databases for companies that I have worked with in the pastwith Access.
I'm looking for a jump in my career and the nextlogicalstep for me, I would think, would be in database field. However, Ialso have some networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'mlooking into the advantages of both fields. I have some questions&I'm not sure who to ask or where to get my answers. But, here they go:
Questions for a Database Administrator:
1) What is your typical workday like?
2) Do you work a lot of overtime?
3) What are the most valuable databse programs tolearn?
4) If I was to look into learning these, should I takeclasses? Where would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angelesarea?
5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML,Visual Basic, etc.)?
6) What programs are starting to get obsolete?
7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications(Microsoft, Oracle)? If so, are there certain books that you recommend to study?
8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, whatspecific one?
9) Are there any other programs or technologies thatarevaluable to learn?
10) Are there any associations or other groups that youbelong to as a DBA?
11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs?
12) What companies do you recommed to work for? Know of any currently hiring?
13) With my background, what is the best way to advanceand work my way into a real DBA position?
Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back withatleast some answers to some of the questions. I really appreciate yourhelp!!!
Please, respond to me at lbanzali@aol.com
smiles,
me
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