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RE: Siebel - ODB.

From: Mercadante, Thomas F <NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:20:34 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003D04FD.20011129050019@fatcity.com>

<SPAN
class=574445112-29112001>Lisa,
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One
arguement I lost regarding business rules (foreign keys) in the application, rather than in the database was that it made the application "database independent", not relying on database tools that might exist in one database but not another.  In theory, this gave this person more opportunity to sell the application to another organization that would prefer to use, say, DB2 rather than Oracle.
 
I'm
not agreeing with the philosophy, but at the time, it made some business sense.
Tom Mercadante <FONT face=Arial
size=2>Oracle Certified Professional

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  size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa   [mailto:lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com]Sent: Wednesday, November 28,   2001 4:26 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list   ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Siebel - ODB.
  Why implement it in the database when you   can write more bloated, more complex code?  Databases don't work   anyway.  It also gives us a chance to issue more patches.    

  I have NEVER understood why some people   take the angle of not letting the database do what it is designed for.    And I don't think I ever will.  I pray I never meet the DBA's of Yore and   Yesteryear.
  Rant on, Mark!
  Lisa Koivu Oracle Database
  Bimbo. Fairfield Resorts, Inc. <FONT
  face=Georgia>954-935-4117   

    -----Original Message----- <FONT
    face=Arial size=1>From:   Mark
    Leith [SMTP:mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk] <FONT face=Arial     size=1>Sent:   Wednesday,
    November 28, 2001 1:55 PM <FONT face=Arial

    size=1>To:     <FONT face=Arial 
    size=1>Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <FONT face=Arial 
    size=1>Subject:        <FONT 
    face=Arial size=1>RE: Siebel. 

<RANT MODE>

    BAH!! These bloody application providers leaving     the integrity to their bloody
    applications instead of leaving it in it's rightful place in the     database!!! Makes my life 10 times harder!!! Got     no consideration at all have they?     

</RANT MODE>

    :P
    Thanks!
    Mark
    -----Original Message----- <FONT

    face=Arial size=2>Linda.Miller-Coker_at_jpmorgan.com <FONT 
    face=Arial size=2>Sent: 28 November 2001 17:46 <FONT face=Arial 
    size=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
    We use Siebel and no it does NOT have RI.     

    "Mark Leith"
<mark_at_cool-tools.co.uk>@fatcity.com on 11/28/2001 10:56:07 AM
    

    Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com     

    Sent by:  root_at_fatcity.com
    To:   Multiple recipients of list
    ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> <FONT face=Arial     size=2>cc:
    Hi Gang,
    Does anybody use Siebel - I believe it's a CRM     package?
    I'm trying to find out of the Siebel application     enforces RI within the database or the     application? Anybody know?
    Cheers
    Mark
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