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FW: Antwort: RE: Antwort: RE: Buffer Busy Waits -- Sanity check

From: Thomas Jeff <ThomasJe_at_tce.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:56:46 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.003CD932.20011127054019@fatcity.com>

The table has about 550,000 rows, and will be growing, currently about 230MB in size.  

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From: Ivo.Libal_at_knapp-systems.com [mailto:Ivo.Libal_at_knapp-systems.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Antwort: RE: Antwort: RE: Buffer Busy Waits -- Sanity check please

But what if they are aging out, isnt that one of reasons for buffer busy and they are - if there is a scattered read....

From docus:
As buffer busy waits are due to contention for particular blocks then you cannot take any action until you know which blocks are being competed for and why. Eliminating the cause of the contention is the best option. Note that "buffer busy waits" for data blocks are often due to several processes repeatedly reading the same blocks (eg: if lots of people scan the same index) - the first session processes the blocks that are in the buffer cache quickly but then a block has to be read from disk - the other sessions (scanning the same index) quickly 'catch up' and want the block which is currently being read from disk - they wait for the buffer as someone is already reading the block in.

If the table s not too big, than I would put it to the cache to avoid reloads from harddisk.
Ivo



Ivo Libal, Bc.

Design & Development, Warehousemanagementsystems Dept.

KNAPP Systemsintegration GmbH
Waltenbachstraße 9
A-8700 Leoben, Austria

Phone: ++43/3842/805-0
e-Mail: ivo.libal_at_knapp-systems.com

                                                                                                                                   

                    "Thorns, Malcolm (NESL-IT)"                                                                                    

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This will not resolve the 'buffer busy wait' scenario. The contention is for blocks that are already in the SGA.

Regards,

Malcolm.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hi
I would try to set the table to cache mode. It seams that the blocks are aged out from buffer - which is default for FTS. alter table BBN_SRVvignette cache;
to avoid reloading into cache.
Ivo



Ivo Libal, Bc.

Design & Development, Warehousemanagementsystems Dept.

KNAPP Systemsintegration GmbH
Waltenbachstraße 9
A-8700 Leoben, Austria

Phone: ++43/3842/805-0
e-Mail: ivo.libal_at_knapp-systems.com

                    "Thorns, Malcolm (NESL-IT)"

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recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
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Buffer
Busy Waits --  Sanity check please

                    11/27/2001 09:25 AM

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Jeff,

The 3 sessions are doing the same (or similar) queries.  In this case count(*) which is forcing a full table scan of the table in each session. The 3 sessions are thus trying to access the same blocks from the SGA,  in the same order.  Only 1 session can access a block in the SGA at a time - this is the session showing 'db file scattered read'. The other 2 sessions need to wait for the block (these waits show as 'buffer busy waits' - ie waiting for the block in the SGA).  You will see the block id (and perhaps the file id) changing as the FTS's progress.  Thus the sessions are 'chasing' each other through the blocks - holding each other up with SGA block contention - which shows up as 'buffer busy waits'.  Hope that explains things.

Regards,

Malcolm

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

We recently had a new website go live.   Since then, I'm seeing constant buffer busy waits
and after a period of time, I see sessions hung on the same block#.    The SQL query
is always a COUNT(*) (below).   It's almost as though one session has a lock

of some sort in the buffer cache and other sessions are blocked. Although,
I've checked and
there's no DML ongoing, so I'm unsure as to why we would see this.   Note that v$session shows
78 and 393 to be INACTIVE, while 159 is ACTIVE.    So it's like 159 can't write to
the buffer cache because 78 and 393 have a lock there.   Note that these are
all defined
as persistent connections, via the Vignette front-end.   I'm sure all the clues are there
but my brain is too fuzzed to piece it together.

 SID SQL_TEXT                                                         O/S
User

----- ----------------------------------------------------------------


  159 SELECT COUNT(*) NUM,SUM(TOTAL_CHARGE_AMT) TOT   FROM BBN.BBN_SRV
vignette
  159 _PAID_WARR_CLAIM  WHERE CUSTOMER_ID = :b1  AND ENTERPRISE_CD = :
vignette
  159 b2  AND (CHECK_ID IS NOT NULL   AND CHECK_ID != 'PENDING' )
vignette

 SID EVENT                       P1TEXT       P1 P2TEXT      P2     P3TEXT
P3

----- -------------------------- ------------ -- ----------- ------ -----


   78 buffer busy waits            file#      72 block#      109177  id
130
  393 buffer busy waits            file#      72 block#      109177  id
130
  159 db file scattered read       file#      72 block#      109177  blocks
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Jeffery D Thomas
DBA
Thomson Information Services
Thomson multimedia Inc.

Email: thomasje_at_tce.com
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