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RS
It's very difficult to deal with people when you're kept soooo busy and isolated! I know that I can get very focused and forget about other people around me and their "menial" jobs when mine is the important job since I'm the DBA!
Randy Kirkpatrick
(303)772-7467
-----Original Message-----
From: Sakthi , Raj [SMTP:rajan_sakthi_at_yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:01 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Another Oracle DBA gets "The Bullet" in the UK - Seeking an O
Randy ,
I am sourly lacking in people's skills..thats the
point I was trying to make..(which didn't
work..Obviously..!!). When I am working 42 hours
continuously I don't have time to think about hurting
somebody's delicate feelings.
RS
--- Randy Kirkpatrick <randywk_at_usa.net> wrote:
> RS
>
> That doesn't sound like good people skills ...
> just that you don't put up with any $ # ! ? ...
> Good people skills would leave them thinking their
> "whimsies were entertained" and you wouldn't call
> developers - "duhvelopers"
> (even if they are duhveloping with half a brain!)
>
> Randy Kirkpatrick
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sakthi , Raj [SMTP:rajan_sakthi_at_yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Another Oracle DBA gets "The Bullet" in
> the UK - Seeking an O
>
> Well....when it comes to people skills I am THE
> winner
> in my company.....every Duhveloper and some went and
> complained that I don't entertain their whimsies and
> Fancies to CIO ( they put it much harsher, of
> course..;) ).But you know ,when you have 20 database
> and 3 OS and few Java duhvelopers let loose in the
> system , then you don't have a chance to look at
> your
> apartment in daylight...heck last week I was in same
> clothes for 42 Hours straight recovering 150 GB
> Monster from a 'rolling disaster'. Say anything else
> but don't say my Job is not complex...Thank God I
> love
> what I do.
>
> Cheers,
> RS
>
> --- DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
> > Rachel - Thanks for sharing some tips. I think
> that
> > in hard times it is
> > worth considering how valuable you are considered
> by
> > the people that pay
> > your salary.
> > Aside for the objective or "true" value of the
> DBA
> > to the
> > organization, I think there are two other aspects.
> > 1. How perceptive your manager is. We can't pick
> > our boss (usually)
> > and can't control their technical background or
> > their perceptiveness. I have
> > had some non-technical managers that were
> remarkably
> > perceptive.
> > 2. Most of us didn't become DBA's because we had
> > excellent
> > communication skills. Most of us picked a
> technical
> > career because we
> > noticed in school that we were better at figuring
> > out technical puzzles.
> > Often we tend to concentrate on resolving the
> > puzzles as quickly as possible
> > and ignore the communication aspect, assuming that
> > everyone will see that we
> > are busy and will assume that we are doing really
> > important stuff that
> > nobody else is smart enough to figure out.
> > However, these assumptions don't always pan out.
> > Recently my company
> > made a larger commitment to Oracle (not in terms
> of
> > the DBA staff, I'm still
> > soloing). I thought this was great because I
> > interpreted it as more job
> > security. However, suddenly there was more
> emphasis
> > on ability to
> > communicate. I am now working on ways to enhance
> my
> > "people skills". The
> > book I have found that speaks in simple enough
> terms
> > for me is Dale
> > Carnegie's classic "How to Win Friends and
> Influence
> > People". Any other
> > resources along these lines would be appreciated.
> > Most of the current
> > self-help books are more along the lines of "how
> to
> > get rich". Gave that
> > idea up a long time ago.
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:15 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > O
> >
> >
> > my boss asked me to stop including him on all the
> > emails etc.
> >
> > he says "if I don't say anything to you then you
> are
> > doing a good job"
> >
> > I say "I need you to be my boss"
> >
> > we are a small group and everyone seems to speak
> at
> > mega-volume.
> > Everyone knows what everyone else's problem is and
> > who fixed it and
> > how.
> >
> > My teammates know what I do -- I tell them they
> > don't really need me,
> > but that's because we have it under control. They
> > tell me I'm nuts --
> > and I have to say, it's gratifying to hear "thank
> > goodness you are
> > back" whenever I come back from vacation.
> >
> >
> > --- Kimberly Smith
> <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>
> > wrote:
> > > The way around that is to actually let them know
> > what preventative
> > > stuff you did. I provide my manager with a
> weekly
> > report and in
> > > there
> > > is a section called "application maintenance and
> > administration".
> > > I even put in there when I spend time with a
> > developer showing them
> > > some SQL or PL/SQL tricks.
> > >
> > > Now, my teammates think I do nothing. Even
> after
> > I sit there for
> > > an hour helping them out. Just cause I do my
> job
> > right the first
> > > time
> > > and there really are no issues. But they don't
> > really count.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:50 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > O
> > >
> > >
> > > my $0.02
> > >
> > > the problem is, if we do our jobs properly, they
> > don't have problems.
> > > And if they don't have problems they figure
> > "nothing ever goes wrong
> > > with the database, why do I need the DBA?"
> > >
> > > except of course, that the reason nothing goes
> > wrong is because we
> > > catch it before it happens.
> > >
> > > Catch-22... if we do it right they don't think
> > they need us, if it
> > > breaks they scream that we should have found it
> > before it happened
> > > and
> > > prevented it
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Sujatha Madan <sujatha.madan_at_cmc.cwo.net.au>
> > wrote:
> > > > I totally agree with Martin. Any company with
> an
> > Oracle DB that's
> > > > worth it's
> > > > salt, needs a proper DBA!!!
> > > >
> > > > A lot of big companies are asking their Unix
> > admins to have "some"
> > > > Oracle
> > > > DBA knowledge. How is it possible for the DB
> to
> > function properly
> > > > when those
> > > > kind of sysadmins spend about 2 hours a week
> > looking at a
>
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