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RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance

From: Rodd Holman <rodney.holman_at_lodgenet.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:02:36 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00399071.20010926065525@fatcity.com>


Not so. I have never installed using the host. We only have text console terminals attached to our host boxes, so we can't do an X install on the host. Have your SA or data center person copy the cd's to a place on the server and run it exporting your display using ssh or telnet to your local X display (I run Linux, but works with X-Win, and other emulators as mentioned in other posts). As for NT, I administered servers at remote buildings using pcAnywhere or VNC at my last employer. As for physical access to the servers. Do you (as a DBA) absolutely need it? Not want, not feel slighted at not having access, not being inconvenienced, I'm meaning REALLY NEED the access. Considering other options (telnet, ssh, VNC, pcAnywhere, etc.), possibly not. On the other hand does your data center staff want to be called in for every midnight implementation to be ready to handle hardware access should it be necessary? Do they want to be brought in on every pager call you get just in case it requires some sort of physical access? You as DBA having hardware access is more for convenience so you don't need to wait on them to get an emergency restart done ... and they don't have to be called in every time you are. Why bring in two when one will do? This all goes back to the earlier comment about watching how strongly you protest. It may have negative impacts in later requests for telecommuting opportunities.
Rodd Holman

Original Message dated 9/26/01, 8:05:17 AM Author: "Koivu," Lisa <lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com> Re: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance:

OK, terminal services?
I agree that install is an exception. It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host.
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<P>Not so.  I have never installed using the host.  We only have text
console terminals attached to our host boxes, so we can't do an X install on the host. Have your SA or data center person copy the cd's to a place on the server and run it exporting your display using ssh or telnet to your local X display (I run Linux, but works with X-Win, and other emulators as mentioned in other posts). As for NT, I administered servers at remote buildings using pcAnywhere or VNC at my last employer.</P>
<P>As for physical access to the servers. Do you (as a DBA) absolutely need it? Not want, not feel slighted at not having access, not being inconvenienced, I'm meaning REALLY NEED the access. Considering other options (telnet, ssh, VNC, pcAnywhere, etc.), possibly not. On the other hand does your data center staff want to be called in for every midnight implementation to be ready to handle hardware access should it be necessary? Do they want to be brought in on every pager call you get just in case it requires some sort of physical access? You as DBA having hardware access is more for convenience so you don't need to wait on them to get an emergency restart done ... and they don't have to be called in every time you are. Why bring in two when one will do?</P> <P>This all goes back to the earlier comment about watching how strongly you protest. It may have negative impacts in later requests for telecommuting opportunities.</P>
<P>Rodd Holman</P>
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<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Original Message dated 9/26/01, 8:05:17
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<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Author: &quot;Koivu,&quot; Lisa &lt;lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com&gt;</P>
<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Re: RE: Physical access to servers for maintenance:</P>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><FONT FACE="Georgia">OK, terminal services? </FONT></FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000ff"><FONT FACE="Georgia">I agree that install is
an exception.&nbsp; It's nearly impossible if you aren't sitting in front of the host. </FONT></FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT></FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></B>
<FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">Christopher Spence
        [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]</FONT></FONT> <BR><B><FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></B>

<FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:45
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<FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">Multiple recipients of list
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<FONT SIZE=1><FONT FACE="Arial">RE: Physical access to servers for

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<P><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000080">This doesn't
work for NT machines, and it with Unix you cannot install 8.1.6 without X access.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT COLOR="#000080">&#160;</FONT></FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Times New Roman"><FONT COLOR="#000080">&quot;Do not
criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes.&quot;</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE=5><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">Christopher
R. Spence</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">Oracle DBA</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">Phone: (978) 322-5744</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">Fax:&#160;&#160;&#160; (707) 885-2275</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT
SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">Fuelspot</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">73

        Princeton Street</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR></FONT><FONT SIZE=2><FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS">North,

        Chelmsford 01863</FONT></FONT><FONT FACE="Arial"><BR>&#160;</FONT></FONT>
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