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From: Don Granaman <>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:23:46 -0700
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> aaggggggggggggghhhh!!!!! Pearl Harbor did not occur during a declared war.
Sheesh I didn't go to the Disney flick. I hope that's not where that came from.

Will all due respect, you are dead wrong. This isn't based on some movie, it is based on historical fact. WWII started in 1939, not December 1941. A formal declaration of war between Japan and the US was inevitable long before Pearl Harbor. Japan was allied with the other Axis powers and we were already firmly committed to the Allied side. Our formal declaration of war on Japan was the day after - Dec 8, 1941, but "a declared war" had already been going on for over two years - and we had already taken sides.

> Your analogy to mutually assured destruction doesn't fit. You may be
thinking more along the lines of massive retaliation a policy pushed by John Foster Dulles, Eisehhower's Secretary of State.

MAD certainly does fit - in the context I stated. MAD is the common name for the functional policy the evolved from evolved then, although it likely never appeared under that name on any official documents. MAD worked, for both sides, as an effective deterrent in the cold war. A policy of threatened "massive retaliation" simply dosn't work well as a deterrent against terrorism. History provides ample proof, including the events of yesterday.

> I never thought Oklahoma City bombing was the work of "Islamic Fundamentalist
But our national press immediately, and with no evidence, leapt to exactly that conclusion. That was my point.

> I don't know how exactly to punish countries which harbor terrorists. Usually
the regimes are unaffected and the people suffer. Violations of embargoes grow rampant over time. Military attacks often unite People under the most despicable of leaderships. History is rife with everyday people fighting valliantly under such circumstances.

Agreed in whole. That is what makes fighting terrorism so extremely difficult.

-Don Granaman
[certifiable OraSaurus]

PS: I will now respect Jared's wishes and discontinue all further discussions on this topic.

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