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RE: !! Keeping the list alive

From: Miller, Jay <JayMiller_at_TDWaterhouse.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:31:03 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00382566.20010904124807@fatcity.com> 






I'll chime in with another story of a well handled downsizing from back in
the mid-90s.  When I was at Showtime we were told the previous week that
layoffs would be announced the the following week.  On Monday we were told
it would be on Tuesday.


On Tuesday (humorously, 90% of the employees came in wearing black with no
prior arrangement) everyone who was to be laid off got a phone call.  We
were then given an exit interview with



    
  
  1.   The SVP of our department
  
  2.   A human resources person who gave us the information on severance and
applying for unemployment
  
  3.   A representative of the outplacement firm that would be providing career
and job hunt counseling for all downsized employees.






I was happy enough with my treatment that I came in for a few days after
that just to help my former boss (she had nothing to do with the layoffs)
with handing over everything I was working on and explaining the status of
my projects.  She resigned a few weeks later (I heard from various employees
that most people were working till 9pm every night trying to get everything
done with the smaller staff) and started her own business.
I took my severance and unemployment, worked some temporary jobs and went to
Columbia to do a career shift and study Oracle.



All in all, one of the best things that ever happened to me :).



Jay Miller





-----Original Message-----


Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:30 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L




I went through several major cuts when I worked at Citibank. The first one 
was the one best handled... by the time anyone was told about it, it was "if



you are here listening to me, you are NOT one of the ones let go"



Worst was when we knew how many would be let go... and knew that they had 
let go one less than that number... and there was one person out on 
vacation. And they didn't catch him at the door. That was awkward to say the



least




>From: Kimberly Smith <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>

>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

>Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive

>Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 08:20:27 -0800

>

>Man, I remember the day when there were about 60 IT staff here.

>Now, I believe its under 20 or will be very shortly.  It was a

>tough week here last week.  We had to match what our client was

>letting go so we did that no problem.  Pretty much everyone is

>off to another project from us.  But to come in every morning and

>see the Fujitsu HR department catching people at the door before

>going into the Fab to give them their walking papers was tough.

>Its the first place I have worked at that has gone through that

>(while I was there).  I believe some upper management will get

>their papers this week.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 9:05 PM

>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

>

>

>if 40 is small, is 16 microscopic? (and of that 16, 5 are consultants)

>

>

> >From: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>

> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> >Subject: Re: !! Keeping the list alive

> >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 12:35:23 -0800

> >

> >

> >Just to add to my previous comment:

> >

> >I'm working at a company with small ( 40 or so ) IS shop.

> >

> >The weak do not survive in this environment.  The developers

> >I work with here are great.  They're bright, hard working and

> >un-egotistical.  They are even will to take direction from the

> >DBA in database related matters.

> >

> >Not a duhveloper in the bunch.

> >

> >Ya gotta love it!

> >

> >Jared

> >

> >On Thursday 30 August 2001 14:16, you wrote:

> > > Um, Kevin, if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't wear it.  :)

> > >

> > > Not all developers are duhvelopers, in fact, most of the ones I know

> > > are very good, but the ones that are duhvelopers require

> > > so much attention that it kind of wears on you.  :)

> > >

> > > And some of us DB-ehs can do just fine writing apps, thank you,

> > > but we choose a path that requires less 'direction' from users.  ;)

> > >

> > > Jared

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >                     "Thomas, Kevin"

> > >                     <Kevin.Thomas_at_cal       To:     Multiple 

>recipients

> >of

> > > list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> anais.com>              cc:

> > >                     Sent by:                Subject:     RE: !! 

>Keeping

> >the

> > > list alive root_at_fatcity.com

> > >

> > >

> > >                     08/30/01 08:26 AM

> > >                     Please respond to

> > >                     ORACLE-L


> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have to say I resent being called a duhveloper, granted the majority

> > > couldn't tune a banjo let alone tune a piece of SQL, but as a techie

> >(and

> > > we

> > > all are), I find this list invaluable for getting advice on a wide 

>range

>

> >of

> > > topics, not just keeping a DB up and running or tuned...I don't call 

>you

> > > guys names, and let's face it you DB-ehs? couldn't write a decent

> > > application if your lives depended on it...

> > >

> > > (blue touch-paper lit, retire a distance, do not re-approach once lit,

> >and

> > > wait for fireworks)

> > >

> > >

> > > "hit any user to continue"

> > > __________________

> > >

> > > Kevin Thomas

> > > Technical Analyst

> > > Deregulation Services

> > > Calanais Ltd.

> > > (2nd Floor East - Weirs Building)

> > > Tel: 0141 568 2377

> > > Fax: 0141 568 2366

> > > http://www.calanais.com

> > >

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > Sent: 30 August 2001 15:46

> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > no, those posts keep us "underworked" DBAs from killing the 

>duhvelopers

> >who

> > >

> > > make us do the same thing over and over and over and who never listen

> >when

> > > we tell them the correct way to design the tables.

> > >

> > > :)

> > >

> > > From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>

> > >

> > > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> > > >Subject: RE: !! Keeping the list alive

> > > >Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:00:52 -0800

> > > >

> > > >Just look at the number of OT postings in the last couple of 

>months...

> > > >

> > > >: )

> > > >

> > > >Patrice Boivin

> > > >Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

> > > >

> > > >Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes

> > > >Technology Services        | Services technologiques

> > > >Informatics Branch         | Direction de l'informatique

> > > >Maritimes Region, DFO      | Région des Maritimes, MPO

> > > >

> > > >E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >          -----Original Message-----

> > > >          From:          schmoldt_at_fyiowa.com 

>[SMTP:schmoldt_at_fyiowa.com]

> > > >          Sent:          Wednesday, August 29, 2001 7:58 PM

> > > >          To:       Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > > >          Subject:       RE: !! Keeping the list alive

> > > >

> > > >          You're surprised at those willing to pay?

> > > >

> > > >          You have to realize that most DBAs are over-payed and

> > >

> > > under-worked

> > >

> > > >....

> > > >          <<ducking>>

> > > >

> > > >          > -----Original Message-----

> > > >          > From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com

> >[mailto:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]

> > > >          > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:43 PM

> > > >          > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > > >          > Subject: !! Keeping the list alive

> > > >          >

> > > >          >

> > > >          >

> > > >          > This list is apparently a more valuable resource to many 

>of

> > >

> > > you

> > >

> > > >than I

> > > >

> > > >          > realized.

> > > >          >

> > > >          > I'm literally bowled over by the generosity.  I've 

>received

> > > >          > so many emails

> > > >          > about

> > > >          > this that I really can't personally reply to them all 

>right

> > >

> > > now.

> > >

> > > >          --

> > > >          Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com

> > > >          --

> > > >          Author:

> > > >            INET: schmoldt_at_fyiowa.com

> > > >

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> > > Author: Rachel Carmichael

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> > > Author: Thomas, Kevin

> > >   INET: Kevin.Thomas_at_calanais.com

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> >Author: Jared Still

> >   INET: jkstill_at_cybcon.com

> >

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>Author: Kimberly Smith

>   INET: kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com

>

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