RE: OT - Vaccines

From: Mohan, Ross <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:03:34 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00375143.20010823071534@fatcity.com>

Amen.

btw,
some other "authorities" don't think vaccines had the played the sole, or even majority role, in
disappearance or "de-virulence" of a given disease. 
Read,
for example "Evolution of Infectious Diseases" by Dr. Paul Ewald.

He is
a professor at Amherst College.

The
book has many many many references: it is essentially a long academic paper, bound
and
printed for consumption by the common man ( that would be you and I :-)

hth

Ross

-----Original Message-----From: Hagedorn, Linda [mailto:lindah_at_epocrates.com]Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:35 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT - Vaccines
 Paraphrased from <A target=_blank
 href="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010821/us/religion_immunizations_1.html">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010821/us/religion_immunizations_1.html

  Casper, Wyo. U.S. District Court Judge William Downes   barred the state of Wyoming Dept of Health from holding hearings to determine   the level of sincerity about some parents religious convictions in refusing to   have their children immunized.
  Wyoming officials had made hepatitis B mandatory for entry   into the public school system. Some parents refused on religious grounds   and argued that the administrative hearings held to determine their sincerity   about the issue violated their constitutional right to freedom of   religion.
  The Judge agreed. ------
  So the bottom line is parents can refuse the   'pretend-mandatory' immunizations for their children, and it does have a   constitutional underpinning.

-----Original Message----- From:
 MacGregor, Ian A. [<A
 href="mailto:ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU">mailto:ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines
 Small pox is extinct in the wild. A few years ago the U.S. and Russia were to destroy their last vials. Both countries backed off citing scientific reasons.
 I cannot say whether it was the vaccine which stopped you from getting polio, but I certainly agree that the vaccine is what has made that crippling disease so rare. That does not mean one should not question some of the vaccine protocols nor the chemicals used a preservatives.
 Ian MacGregor Stanford Linear Accelerator Center ian_at_slac.stanford.edu
 -----Original Message----- Sent:
 Friday, August 17, 2001 10:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 The interesting thing about this thread is the fact that most of the childhood diseases our children get shots to prevent still exist in most third-world countries. The last I heard smallpox has been eliminated from North America, not the world. Now, if the shots were doing no good and the diseases would eventually just disappear it seems to me this would have already happened in those countries? I wonder why there always has to be some conspiracy involved. My goodness, cloning, bioengineered foods, DNA evidence, the government and vaccines!?! What will be next? I think indoor plumbing was just a Citywide conspiracy to collect Sewage/Water fees. We now know better about a lot of things including the general welfare of kids that get the vaccines. Yes, your child could do without them and be just fine unless they come across some other child who has contracted the disease. The reason I didn't have Polio and Smallpox when I was a kid is because of the vaccinations. I knew a poor soul that had polio and it's a horrible disease.
 Thank goodness for off-topic Fridays. It's good to debate :)
 ps. This reflects my opinion, not fact. Have a heart and take it with a sense of humor before flaming in public.
 --Michael
 -----Original Message----- Sent:
 Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped.
>From: "Babette Turner-Underwood"

 <babette+oraclelist_at_pythian.com> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines
>that are forced upon our children and the increase
 in >childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies >and ADHD and ...?? > >Something has changed. With our new improved health >care system, I believe on average children are sicker >than they were 20 or 30 years ago. > >- babette
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 size=2>>yikes.....the immune system is fabulously complex....second in complexity >only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development >at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than
>us older folks...the system is literally "learning" for
 the first few years >or more. > >Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully >able >to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically hobbled diseases, folks ) is >really >scary to me. > >Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but >we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection*
>directly >into the

 bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are
>introduced into the body than if they had to pass through
 the skin or >mucosal linings.... > >just a thought..... > >-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:45 PM <FONT
 size=2>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Give the
 kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot. Works
>wonders. I've got two who just got a round of
 vaccinations this week. > >Scott Shafer >San Antonio, TX
> > <FONT

 size=2>>Kathy Duret wrote: > >
> > Thanks for the link. As a new parent of
 a 4 month old, I am always >looking for things to read about newborns. > > > > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have >TB >shots before they can be entered into day care. My pediatrician refuses >(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the >virus because of the potential side effects. > > > > It is really hard to see my 4 month old get three shots (they won't >split >them up I asked) at one time. His little legs are so bruised afterwards. >It takes him a week to get back to normal. But often the benefits outweigh >the risks. Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk. >I >get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my >babies color, breathing and temperature. Better neurotic than sorry.
> > > > My husband and I

 both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby >on the way home while the other drives. I read somewhere that a doctor >actually said they don't feel that much pain. He should have seen my >babies
>legs and heard him scream. >
> > > This is probably one of the worst
 things about being a parent. > >
> > kathy > >
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  size=2>> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:33 PM <FONT 
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  size=2>> > > > As having a few chicken pox

scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I >understand this some. > >
> > The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in
 life. Shingles normally >happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed. >It >is quite painful. Even though I am not very old, I have experienced >Shingles and it ain't fun. > > >
> Both Shingles and Chicken Pox are forms of the Herpes Virus.
 Cannot >remember which simplex, but not symplex 10 I'm sure. And not the same >symplex as your STD type Herpes. > > > > And if you live in Virginia, it's state law that children are immunized >against Chicken Pox. Before age 3 I believe. > > > >
 -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:14 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > There is a whole new class of vaccines the drug companies are pushing > > that are supposed to prevent generally non-life-threatening illnesses > > like Chicken Pox. Merck's Chicken Pox vaccine ad is particularly
> > heinous, as it promotes the vaccine as preventing
 cosmetic blemishes > > that result from Chicken Pox. > > > >
 Another in a long line of medicines for healthy people with unknown
>long-term effects. >
> > > If you are interested in Vaccine safety
 and dangers, there is an > > organization devoted to the subject: > > <FONT

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