RE: Q about Oracle Optimizer

John,
Thanks for update. But in our case no export was involved in migration as it was not our option for migration because of Database size. We used 7.3.4.5 datafiles and migrated...there were no statistics of our objects....

Regards

MOHAMMAD RAFIQ Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:50:46 -0800

Hi all,

Although it is a little late in this thread, keep in mind that 'STATISTICS=ESTIMATE' kicks in by default for export. This could also have affected the final outcome, i.e. CHOOSE with incorrect stats isn't exactly the right combination for the best performance ;-)

IMHO, this gotcha has caught out a lot of DBAs - even experienced ones...

John Kanagaraj

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mohammad Rafiq [mailto:rafiq9857_at_hotmail.com]
>Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:00 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>Subject: RE: Q about Oracle Optimizer
>
>
>Anita,
>You are 100% right for your explanation. I observed that
>behaviour just last
>week when we migrated our second production database from 7.3.4.5 to
>8.1.6.2 and my colleague forgot to define optimizer as rule in our new
>init.ora file and resultantly optimizer became CHOOSE and from
>very next day
>users started complaining about slowness. When I investigated
>and found
>problem with that, I defined it as RULE and rebounced database
>at day-end
>and problem resolved.
>
>MOHAMMAD RAFIQ
>
>
>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:16:20 -0800
>
>Mohammad,
>
>For this particular case you're probably correct.
>What I was attempting to explain, and not doing very
>well, was that the absence of statistics does NOT mean
>the RBO will ALWAYS be used. Many people don't
>realize this and assume that because they have
>OPTIMIZER_MODE = RULE that they will always use the
>RBO. Even if OPTIMIZER_MODE = RULE, the CBO will be
>used on queries involving partitioned tables, for
>example.
>
>It doesn't help that tkprof shows the optimizer_mode
>for the session, not the optimizer that was actually
>used. So it's quite common to have the output show
>RULE, while the explain plan itself shows a calculated
>cost, hash joins, parallel query paths, and/or other
>features that are used only by the CBO.
>
>HTH,
>
>-- Anita
>
>--- Mohammad Rafiq <rafiq9857_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> > IMHO,Problem in this situation is that ,in 7.3.4 ,if
> > I am not wrong ,thier
> > optimizer must be RULE as default and after
> > migration if optimizer is not
> > explicitly set as RULE , default optimizer in 8.1.6
> > is CHOOSE. This is the
> > reason their objects never analyzed in 7.3.4 or now
> > in 8.1.6.
> > If optimizer is set explicitly as RULE in
> > initSID.ora will automatically
> > resolve their problem...
> > Besides just going to CHOOSE and analyzing objects
> > will not resolve all
> > performance issues as it depends on application
> > code, which was
> > tuned/written keeping in mind RULE based optimizer
> > and such codes must be
> > checked and modified to get the best result under
> > CHOOSE....
> >
> >
> > MOHAMMAD RAFIQ
> >
> >
> >
> > Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 05:45:19 -0800
> >
> > That's true provided you're not using any of the new
> > features introduced in 8.0, and later versions, that
> > automatically cause the CBO to be used (e.g.
> > partitioning, degree or instances > 1, IOT, etc...)
> >
> > When in doubt, I always check metalink note:
> > 66484.1.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > -- Anita
> >
> > --- Jon Walthour <jonw_at_fuse.net> wrote:
> > > Volker:
> > >
> > > If optimizer_mode = 'choose', then the optimizer
> > > chooses between
> > > cost-based optimization and rule-based
> > optimization
> > > based on whether or
> > > not statistics are present. In your case, since
> > they
> > > aren't it's using
> > > rule-based.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Volker
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:46 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > a quick question about oracle optimizer.
> > >
> > > a customer has database migrated from 7.3.4 to
> > 8.1.6
> > > on AIX. Data was
> > > transfered via full exp/imp. After migration the
> > > performance of the new
> > > database is very poor. I looked at the parameters
> > > and saw that no object
> > > is analyzed. So now me question:
> > >
> > > What does oracle optimizer do, if there are no
> > > statistics on all
> > > objects. Optimizer level is choose.
> > >
> > > Volker Schön
> > > E-Mail: mailto:v.schoen_at_inplan.de
> > > http://www.inplan.de
>
>
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