From Ruth.Dejam@voicestream.com Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:13:24 -0700 From: "Dejam, Ruth" Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:13:24 -0700 Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Title: RE: OT - Vaccines >How on earth can a parent make the right decisions??   This is why we have more than 1 child.  You try your best with the first.  Fix your mistakes and make new ones with the second. and so on, and so on...  Despite the same 2 parents, each child has their own personality and you just learn to adapt your parenting style to them.    We're raising 3 teenage princesses.  The age I most disliked was around 3 when they would wander off anywhere they liked; confident that mommy would find them.  My eldest was out shopping last weekend and in the midst of buying herself CDs, bought me a novel she thought I'd like.  This is one of the ways you know you're doing something right.  :)   ~Ruth -----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:lisa.koivu@efairfield.com]Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: OT - Vaccines YOU GUYS ARE SCARING ME OUT OF HAVING CHILDREN! How on earth can a parent make the right decisions?? All the information flying around on the list is pretty unnerving.  Sure the numbers may be very low but the #1 thing I worry about (and most other expectant parents) is the baby's health.  How do all you parents do this without going batty.... But thanks for sharing all this info.  -----Original Message----- From:   Mohan, Ross [SMTP:MohanR@STARS-SMI.com] Sent:   Friday, August 17, 2001 1:48 PM To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:        RE: OT - Vaccines actually, while the overall rate may well have dropped, the US has an ABHORRENT record in this department: Read this and *weep* http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/health/ihhac/ihhac-c05d.pdf Note, also, that MOST of the reduction in IMR have NOTHING to do with vaccines...most of them have to do with congenital defects...perinatal complications...etc.  In fact, SIDS may be *directly correlated* to increased vaccination: A quote: * In 1950, before mass vaccination began, the USA had the third lowest infant        mortality rate in the world. By 1986, the USA dropped to 17th place. By 1995,        there were 23 countries ahead of the USA, by now world renowned for its        appalling infant mortality. The greatest percentage of these deaths is from Sudden        Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). The link between vaccination and SIDS is        indisputable http://hometown.aol.com/drdawndc/cdab.htm SIDS is not easy to cure with Infant Tylenol. Happily, at least one country thinks it has a solution: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/hattersley-jg-j_orthomol_med-199 3-v8-n4-p229.htm A quote: "(2) Crib deaths nearly disappeared in Japan in 1975 when first inoculations were postponed until the 24th month of life." -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L sicker? possibly. But the infant mortality rate has dropped. >From: "Babette Turner-Underwood" >Reply-To: ORACLE-L@fatcity.com >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: OT - Vaccines >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:36:53 -0800 > >I wonder if there is a link between all of these vaccines >that are forced upon our children and the increase in >childhood illnesses, such as asthma and allergies >and ADHD and ...?? > >Something has changed. With our new improved health >care system, I believe on average children are sicker >than they were 20 or 30 years ago. > >- babette > >-----Original Message----- >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:33 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >yikes.....the immune system is fabulously complex....second in complexity >only to the brain itself...and it is still very very much in development >at early ages...this is why kids -- all kids -- get more colds, etc than >us older folks...the system is literally "learning" for the first few years >or more. > >Pounding this system with "new" vaccines...before it is developed, or fully >able >to defend itself ( vaccines ARE basically hobbled diseases, folks ) is >really >scary to me. > >Also, remember...you and I may get chicken pox ( i did, and mumps...) but >we get it by host to host contact...NOT by *intravenous injection*  >directly >into the bloodstream where orders of magnitude more of disease vectors are >introduced into the body than if they had to pass through the skin or >mucosal linings.... > >just a thought..... > >-----Original Message----- >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:45 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > >Give the kid some baby motrin or baby tylenol prior to the shot.  Works >wonders.  I've got two who just got a round of vaccinations this week. > >Scott Shafer >San Antonio, TX > > >Kathy Duret wrote: > > > > Thanks for the link.   As a new parent of a 4 month old, I am always >looking for things to read about newborns. > > > > Some Health centers (Long Beach, CA) are now requiring children to have >TB >shots before they can be entered into day care.  My pediatrician refuses >(thankfully) to do it before 6 months even if they have been exposed to the >virus because of the potential side effects. > > > > It is really hard to see my 4 month old get three shots (they won't >split >them up I asked) at one time.  His little legs are so bruised afterwards. >It takes him a week to get back to normal.  But often the benefits outweigh >the risks.  Just be aware of the side effects and watch them like a hawk.  >I >get up several times a night for several days after the shots to check my >babies color, breathing and temperature.  Better neurotic than sorry. > > > > My husband and I both go on vaccination day, so one can comfort the baby >on the way home while the other drives.  I read somewhere that a doctor >actually said they don't feel that much pain.  He should have seen my >babies >legs and heard him scream. > > > > This is probably one of the worst things about being a parent. > > > > kathy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:33 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > As having a few chicken pox scars (luckily in areas that are not seen) I >understand this some. > > > > The vaccine also prevents Shingles later in life.  Shingles normally >happens in older people where your immune system is stressed/suppressed.  >It 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