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I always called what your wife calls "street smarts" common sense.
or as I describe it, some people are theoreticians. I'm a technician. I don't care necessarily HOW it works. I just want to make it work.
But I also qualify as intelligent by your definition. I have a large store of seemingly unrelated information in my brain. I can and do make associations between two or more of these unrelated items, which often leads to the "aha!" factor in the people around me.
So I'm intelligent, not wise, have a lot of common sense and act as a catalyst for discovery in people around me. I can live with that :)
>From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: IQ, etc.
>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 04:25:59 -0800
>
>My perception of intelligent people is that they know a lot of trivia, can
>repeat many theories, and can talk a lot when you ask them regarding
>something on which they collected many associations.
>
>Intelligent people don't make fortunes all that often, because theories and
>knowledge do not constitute wisdom. They may provide a context for
>experiences, however, provided the theories reflect reality. If your
>theory
>is wrong, you can go around in circles for a long time without learning
>anything.
>
>Your professor's frame of reference seems to be about adding more
>"information" to existing bodies of knowledge, he didn't mention life
>experiences. Sounds academic, where they publish paper after paper, but
>people rarely read them. One of my profs said that there are so many
>papers
>published now that it has become impossible to keep up. Strange idea, that
>publishing papers would "add" to understanding, and perhaps lead to wisdom.
>
>My wife is a teacher, she says there are 8 or more types of intelligence
>that they have to consider now when teaching. I found it interesting that
>one of these Intelligences is the equivalent of "street smarts" - i.e. how
>to get things done in the real world, not based on theoretical frameworks.
>Street smarts is based on real life experiences.
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
>Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
>Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
>Technology Services | Services technologiques
>Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
>Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
>
>E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guy Hammond [SMTP:guy.hammond_at_avt.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:36 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: IQ, etc.
>
> A professor of mine defined things like this:
>
> Data: raw numbers and text
> Information: data filtered and summarized to extract the relevant
>pieces
> Knowledge: new information fitted into existing knowledge in such a
>way
> as to be meaningful in a wider context
> Wisdom: Extrapolating trends in knowledge to synthesize new
>knowledge
>
> Interesting that he didn't seem to consider intelligence to be
> particularly relevant to his model of learning. I would day that
> intelligence is a measure of how fast data can be transformed all
>the
> way into wisdom. Technology at present is very good at dealing with
>data
> and information, and is just starting to address knowledge, altho'
>it's
> far from commercially useful yet.
>
> g
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 6:52 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I have a simplistic view of things:
>
> Knowledge = ideas linked by associations, purely intellectual in
>nature.
> You can do the word association game re. these, quite fun.
>
> Understanding = experience involving the whole person, including
> movement,
> emotions and intellect. So to understand, you must go through the
> experience.
>
> P.S. Are Orasoruses herbivores, or carnivores?
>
> : )
>
> Patrice Boivin
> Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
> Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
> Technology Services | Services technologiques
> Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
> Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
>
> E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Granaman [SMTP:granaman_at_home.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:37 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: computer history stories - Now: IQ, etc.
>
> Apologies for reviving a dead thread, but I was
>incommunicado
> for a
> week and
> just now saw this rather interesting thread. One of my pet
> rants is
> about
> the difference between "knowledge" and "understanding". I
>am
> not
> sure of
> the clinical definitions of the words used in this
>discussion,
> but
> will
> offer this postulation, in IT terms.
>
> "Knowledge" is essentially accumulated data.
> "Understanding" is more like the ability to process data.
>
> Of the two, understanding is far more valuable - and far
>more
> rare.
>
> I once had a physics professor/mentor who "invented" the
> mathematical field
> of product calculus to support his doctoral research in
>physics.
> (Note:
> "product" calculus - multiplying infinitesimal bits of
>stuff,
> not
> adding. I
> may be a geezer, but am not old enough to have studied under
> Newton!) The
> mathematical community was suitably impressed and told him
>that
> if
> he would
> write up all the proofs and do the formal theory, the
>Field's
> medal
> would be
> a certainty. (There is no Nobel prize for Mathematics. The
> Field's
> medal
> is the equivalent.) He replied that he was a tool user, not
>a
> tool
> maker -
> that the only reason he did it was because appropriate tools
>did
> not
> previously exist. He finished his doctorate in physics,
>others
> did
> the
> mathematical background work, and nobody got the Field's
>medal
> for
> product
> calculus.
>
> The moral is that he did not have the "knowledge" required,
>but
> did
> have a
> very deep understanding of mathematics. To compensate for
>this
> lack
> of
> "knowledge", his own and other's, he used his understanding
>to
> create new
> "knowledge".
>
> Another illustration... In the beginning, there is
> trigonometry.
> One has
> to memorize lots of half-angle formulae, double-angle
>formulae,
> ad
> nausem.
> Pure knowledge - just plug in values and crank out answers.
> Further
> down
> the line, one learns Euler's equation and how to effectively
>use
> it.
> Usually, that static data - all those formulae - get purged
>from
> primary
> memory. If one needs them, they can be easily derived in a
>few
> minutes - a
> much more powerful technique. There is little sense
>cluttering
> up
> valuable
> primary memory with such trivia.
>
> In the field of Oracle database administration, some
>knowledge
> is
> essential.
> However, understanding is the seminal distinction between
>the
> lower
> and
> higher levels of expertise. After all, how many of the most
> challenging
> situations you have been in, or toughest projects you have
>done,
> could have
> been well handled on the basis of knowledge alone?
>Knowledge
> will
> only get
> you so far. Serious critical reasoning skills are required
>to
> transcend the
> existing knowledge barrier. Consider also in this context
>the
> large
> and
> firmly entrenched knowledge base about ratio-based tuning
>versus
> more
> reasoned wait-based tuning.
>
> (setq minor-rant-mode ON)
> This is my main complaint about the OCP program. The tests
>are
> almost
> exclusively "knowledge based". The old Chauncey exams had a
> much
> higher
> "understanding" requirement.
> (setq minor-rant-mode OFF)
>
> -Don Granaman
> [certifiable Orasaurus]
>
> ("Real life" doesn't have the correct answers in the back.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:39 PM
>
>
> > IQ from what I understand is COMPLETELY related to how
>fast
> you
> learn.
> >
> > IQ is your ability to learn, nothing to do with how
>"Smart"
> you
> are.
> >
> > Smart is how much you know, nothing to do with how you
>learn.
> >
> > "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their
> shoes,
> that way
> > when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have
>their
> shoes."
> >
> > Christopher R. Spence OCP MCSE MCP A+ RAPTOR CNA
> > Oracle DBA
> > Phone: (978) 322-5744
> > Fax: (707) 885-2275
> >
> > Fuelspot
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