Re: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

But Kevin, having all under his belt doesn't mean he's ever used it. Maybe we're not slackers afterall.

Ruth
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> WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
> KK
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> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM
>
>
> > Cheers Lee!
> >
> > Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned down
> for
> > cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW (only
6
> > years above the legal limit!).
> >
> > Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming under
> my
> > belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently moving in
> to
> > the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
> >
> > My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Lee - lerobe
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
> evaluating
> > some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how young
> he
> > actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i
launch
> > at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after dropping
> out
> > of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for a
> couple
> > of months but later became one of our biggest fans !!)and play for about
> 7-8
> > years, reasonably successful but no Gold Disks :-). Went on to use
Ingres,
> > Unix and C (development and DBA/S.A, then Oracle and Informix(DBA). Now
> > purely on Oracle as a DBA and loving every minute of it - Honest.
> >
> > Big future Mark - best of luck !!
> >
> > Lee (hobbling his way into the old school - agewise anyway !!)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 03 August 2001 11:06
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Ahhhhhh 79, I remember those good old days.. Back then I was still
> drinking
> > milk out of a bottle on a pink sand beach in Bermuda :)
> >
> > I actually started in the IT industry directly in to software sales on
> > Oracle/Sybase tools 4 years ago now - though I did have a hell of a head
> > start working with computers due to my "old man" also being in
> > software/hardware sales since I can remember - he also started out as a
> > computer operator on an IBM 360 mainframe? I actually started my working
> > life as an anodiser of all things - an ageing process for aluminium for
> > those that don't know, where by you treat the aluminium in vats of
> sulphuric
> > acid, and caustic soda all heated with electricity running through.. Did
> it
> > manually too with big rubber gloves, boots and apron! I much prefer
> tapping
> > my keyboard I can tell ya!
> >
> > Roll on the new wave of technology! VR here we come! And a great big
hand
> to
> > the "oldies" for making the computer industry what it is now!
> >
> > Mark (One from the young camp)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Kanagaraj
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:14
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > I want to echo your sentiment. Now that I am approaching 40 and feeling
> > dinosaurish, it is nice to know that a large number of dinosaurs (or
> > 'OraSaurus' as Don puts it) still exist.
> >
> > Btw, I keep hearing of Age discrimination in the IT industry. Reading
> > through these notes, is it fair to say that this is less true among
DBAs?
> >
> > As far me, started out in 79 in college with IBM 1620/Fortran and
> > punched-card Input/Output trays (used to be able to read Hollerith code
> once
> > upon a time!). Progressed to Cobol in my first job in 84 and later to
> > XENIX/UNIX, and teaching the User *never* to use 'ior i' to 'startup'
the
> V5
> > database...
> >
> > John Kanagaraj
> > Oracle Applications DBA
> > DB Soft Inc
> > Work : (408) 970 7002
> >
> > Listen to great, commercial-free christian music 24x7x365 at
> > http://www.klove.com
> >
> > ** The opinions and facts contained in this message are entirely mine
> > and do not reflect those of my employer or customers **
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Paul Baumgartel [mailto:pbaumgartel_at_mortgagesight.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:35 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >Subject: computer history stories
> > >
> > >
> > >I just want to thank everyone whose stories indicate that they
> > >are at least
> > >middle-aged--for a while (especially at my last job where the
> > >average age
> > >was about 25), I'd been feeling as though I was the last
> > >over-40 tech-head
> > >left on the East Coast.
> > >
> > >Now, as long as I'm posting, my "how-I-got-started" story:
> > >
> > >I majored in liberal arts and worked as a real-estate property
> > >manager for
> > >about 5 years. Encouraged by programmer friends, I took some
> > >classes, in
> > >Fortran, Intro. to Computer Logic, and DG MV/8000 assembly
> > >language. My
> > >first job, in 1981, was as an assembly language programmer,
> > >but not for the
> > >MV/8000; rather, writing firmware for the Intel 8085. I
> > >couldn't believe
> > >how primitive it seemed after programming for the then-state-of-the-art
> > >MV/8000. The experience, though, of working from hardware
> > >schematics and
> > >Intel data books was invaluable. You really know how a
> > >computer works when
> > >you've learned about asserting ALE (address latch enable) and
> > >strobing the
> > >address bus!
> > >
> > >Paul Baumgartel
> > >MortgageSight Holdings, LLC
> > >pbaumgartel_at_mortgagesight.com
> > >
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