RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

okay fellow geezers....haven't you adopted the "I'm only 29" phrase yet?

It also gets you alot of 30th birthday parties where you can continue to claim 29, just have to change jobs alot.

Jon

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From: Farnsworth, Dave [mailto:DFarnsworth_at_Ashleyfurniture.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:25 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: computer history stories - Now: Age discrimination?

It's when you get carded when you are 40 that you have really accomplished something!!  Some young girl about my daughters age did that to me last week when I went to purchase my favorite adult beverage.  I should have left her a tip.

Dave

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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:16 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

WOW, now I feel like slacker:)
KK
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 7:51 AM

> Cheers Lee!
>
> Out of curiosity how old did you think I was? I was actually turned down
for
> cigarettes a few months back!! I couldn't believe it!! I'm 22 BTW (only 6
> years above the legal limit!).
>
> Already got Oracle Admin, SQLServer admin, HTML & JAVA programming under
my
> belt - with a little Sybase ASE around the edges and currently moving in
to
> the DB2 world!! Not bad for 4 years of intensive reading a playing..
>
> My next step is to sink my teeth in to UNIX..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Lee - lerobe
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:01
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> After having firstly talking to Mark at length on the phone while
evaluating
> some of his products, I was extremely surprised to see exactly how young
he
> actually was (or at least looked !!)when I met him at the Oracle 9i launch
> at Oracle UK. As for me, a late starter in 1990 on Cobol after dropping
out
> of studying law in 81, to join a band (dad wouldn't speak to me for a
couple
> of months but later became one of our biggest fans !!)and play for about
7-8
> years, reasonably successful but no Gold Disks :-). Went on to use Ingres,
> Unix and C (development and DBA/S.A, then Oracle and Informix(DBA). Now
> purely on Oracle as a DBA and loving every minute of it - Honest.
>
> Big future Mark - best of luck !!
>
> Lee (hobbling his way into the old school - agewise anyway !!)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: 03 August 2001 11:06
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ahhhhhh 79, I remember those good old days.. Back then I was still
drinking
> milk out of a bottle on a pink sand beach in Bermuda :)
>
> I actually started in the IT industry directly in to software sales on
> Oracle/Sybase tools 4 years ago now - though I did have a hell of a head
> start working with computers due to my "old man" also being in
> software/hardware sales since I can remember - he also started out as a
> computer operator on an IBM 360 mainframe? I actually started my working
> life as an anodiser of all things - an ageing process for aluminium for
> those that don't know, where by you treat the aluminium in vats of
sulphuric
> acid, and caustic soda all heated with electricity running through.. Did
it
> manually too with big rubber gloves, boots and apron! I much prefer
tapping
> my keyboard I can tell ya!
>
> Roll on the new wave of technology! VR here we come! And a great big hand
to
> the "oldies" for making the computer industry what it is now!
>
> Mark (One from the young camp)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Kanagaraj
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:14
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Paul,
>
> I want to echo your sentiment. Now that I am approaching 40 and feeling
> dinosaurish, it is nice to know that a large number of dinosaurs (or
> 'OraSaurus' as Don puts it) still exist.
>
> Btw, I keep hearing of Age discrimination in the IT industry. Reading
> through these notes, is it fair to say that this is less true among DBAs?
>
> As far me, started out in 79 in college with IBM 1620/Fortran and
> punched-card Input/Output trays (used to be able to read Hollerith code
once
> upon a time!). Progressed to Cobol in my first job in 84 and later to
> XENIX/UNIX, and teaching the User *never* to use 'ior i' to 'startup' the
V5
> database...
>
> John Kanagaraj
> Oracle Applications DBA
> DB Soft Inc
> Work : (408) 970 7002
>
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> http://www.klove.com
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>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Paul Baumgartel [mailto:pbaumgartel_at_mortgagesight.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:35 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >Subject: computer history stories
> >
> >
> >I just want to thank everyone whose stories indicate that they
> >are at least
> >middle-aged--for a while (especially at my last job where the
> >average age
> >was about 25), I'd been feeling as though I was the last
> >over-40 tech-head
> >left on the East Coast.
> >
> >Now, as long as I'm posting, my "how-I-got-started" story:
> >
> >I majored in liberal arts and worked as a real-estate property
> >manager for
> >about 5 years.  Encouraged by programmer friends, I took some
> >classes, in
> >Fortran, Intro. to Computer Logic, and DG MV/8000 assembly
> >language.  My
> >first job, in 1981, was as an assembly language programmer,
> >but not for the
> >MV/8000; rather, writing firmware for the Intel 8085.  I
> >couldn't believe
> >how primitive it seemed after programming for the then-state-of-the-art
> >MV/8000.  The experience, though, of working from hardware
> >schematics and
> >Intel data books was invaluable.  You really know how a
> >computer works when
> >you've learned about asserting ALE (address latch enable) and
> >strobing the
> >address bus!
> >
> >Paul Baumgartel
> >MortgageSight Holdings, LLC
> >pbaumgartel_at_mortgagesight.com
> >
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