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RE: OT about to peeve off the vegatarians: RE: OT RE: Largest

From: MacGregor, Ian A. <ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:40:29 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0035B53B.20010731174520@fatcity.com>

Just in case there are other parents with autistic children. The population studies of the MMR vaccine do not show a correlation between the MMR vaccine and autism. I have heard of a paper showing a weak correlation between thimerosal and autism. But I haven't been able to find it on Medscape/Medline to see what the R value/values are. Thimerosol is a mercury containing compound used in vaccines to control bacteria and such. It caused a small row when someone noticed that with all the normal vaccination schedule children were getting more mercury than is considered safe. Mercury free vaccines are available for everything but DTAP. However, it was decided that old stocks of thimerisol containing vaccines could be used before going to the new.

There are lots of studies being done on mercury chelation and autism. The prime one at Louisiana State. I am dubious that a connection will be found. After all the best evidence and present is that it is genetic. It riles me though that mercury was ever allowed in vaccines in the first place.

There are lots of desparate parents of autistic children who fall prey to quacks. I've heard lectures which start out with, "Gluten intolerance is very common thought seldom tested for". If testing for it is rare then how can one say it is very common.   We went to a nutrtionist, an M.D., I found his name on one of the more reputable autism lists. He talked about using accupressure to cure allergies. We left his office toute suite. But I did pick up the book, "Winning The War Against Immune Disorders and Allegies" by Ellen W. Cutler. The idea is that if a person holds a piece of food to which they are allergic and stretches out their arm, the amount of strenght in that arm will be diminished. For an infant, the infant takes holds the food, the parent holds the child's other hand and stretches out the other arm. Again the amount of strength in the arm is diminished if the child is holding a food to which it is allergic. My personal highlight was the story of a man said to be allergic to his own saliva. One of the instructions was for him to avoid contact with his own saliva for a number of days. Apparently it was okay in his mouth, but itegumental contact would have ruined everything.


I don't know how you would tell if someone died of heart failure from a fossil. One of the problems is that the cavemen and cavewomen didn't live long enough for some of the "modern" diseases to afflict them.

Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ian_at_slac.stanford.edu       

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From: Mohan, Ross [mailto:MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:01 PM
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So where do I get my woolly mammoth steaks.

|| www.texasgrassfedbeef.com www.vermontbeef.com www.colemanbeef.com

What was the life expectancy of early hominids?

|| about 30-40. They died early due to infection and trauma. Not heart
disease, cancer, arthritis,

        or other autoimmune disorders. Other fitness markers (any physical anthropologists out there?)

        showed them to be remarkably fit and powerful.

I don't know about Maine Blue Berries, but wild blueberries in Nova Scotia are just as sweet if not sweeter than the store bought ones.

Where in a reputable peer-reviewed journal can one find an article store bought food is less nutritious than wild food. The purpose of fruit is to be eaten, the seeds passing through the digestive system intact to be planted with a little fertilizer. The sweeter the fruit, the more animals are attracted, the greater chance of the plant dispersing its progeny.

|| Fresh food is better than processed food. Enzymes are volatile, some
having labile points not much above 100F.

        Ditto for vitamins, especially water soluble ones like C. They oxidize quickly in the presence of air. You

        could do an article ( and get it reviewed and published if you like ) on the vitamin C content of fresh

        squeezed juice, and juice that has been sitting out for a few hours. You'd find *significantly* less C in

        the...er....store bought juice. Oh, yea, don't forget they pasteurize the juice by BOILING it. Great.....

As far as I can tell taste takes a second seat to looks with commercial produce. Produce is picked before its time so it can be transported unbruised. It doesn't taste as good as the stuff off a backyard tree.

|| Well we certainly agree here!

My daughter is autistic. We have her on a cassein and gluten free diet. It seems to have done her some good; her attentiveness has increased and her perserveration has dropped. My wife swears it has; I lean more towards non-casual coincidence, but I don't want to give her bread pudding in case I'm wrong. You won't believe how many things have gluten and cassein. Gluten is not naturally found in corn, but it's in corn flakes. Most soy cheeses have cassein in them so they melt like dairy cheeses. It is very difficult to keep on such a diet, taking all grains out of the diet would be harder still.

|| Hmmm...this is a hard one. There is, of course, absolutely no need for
cow's milk (casein source), nor for wheat. In fact, as I am sure you have heard, gluten can do "not good" things in the body. There are people who flourish by
avoiding modern ( past several thousand years..."modern" in genetic/evolutionary sense) agricultural products. Just search on lectins...phytates...aflatoxins.....

Autism is a multi-genetic disorder; i.e, more than one gene is involved. Latest evidence is that the genes express themselves about the first month of pregnancy. In the future it will be detectable via amniocentesis, much like trisomy 13 is today. For a parent it becomes noticeable somewhere between 15 months and two years.

So what does this have to do with cassein and gluten. There are double-blind studies which indicate some children do better on such a diet.

I like to think the experience has made me a better person. Before, when a developmentally-disabled child walked into a room I'd act like the kid was contagious.

|| Ian, I salute you and your wife's work, your open minds, and most of
all, your love and support of your daughter. I was presented with a healthy child for number one (slightly depressed immune system due to veganism, i believe) and number two, my son is anemic. That went away went I started letting him gobble the range-fed beef he adores. He's at 90% on the growth chart now. I sincerely and deeply hope that you and your wife continue to investigate all sorts of work around your daughter's autism....watch out for vaccines, research them **VERY** carefully...check into a (very very wacky) guy named
Aajonus Vonderplanitz...keep reading and learning. You guys are so far ahead of many other parents who would have been crippled by their daughter's challenge...your work is very admirable, and I have no doubt that it has changed you
for the better.

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