Re: OT RE: 24 x 7 on NT?

More on the same vein. Sorry if this thread is developing a "me too" feel.

I'm happy to use GUI tools when they save me time. I know what they're doing and how they achieve their results.
The availability of GUI tools is however a huge disincentive for new DBAs to find out how the database actually works and leads to a lack of understanding of the way the beast works as a whole.

If your goal is to be a knowledgeable and effective DBA then you can't beat starting from the command line and working your way towards GUI when you find your feet. That requires a long-term viewpoint though, and the world is focussing increasingly on the short term.

If I sound like a Luddite then I've given the wrong impression; that;s just my 4 groats-worth.

Regards,

Mike

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Oh I agree
As a newbie to the Oracle fold I found it oh so easy to dive into stuff with the DBA Studio, I suppose the thing that stops me is some 7 or more years hacking around Linux and Unix systems. Graphical tools are great for some things but you just cant beat the capabilities of a good script and Windows will be a lot better for it now it has a good scripting system. What i found DBA studio for thogh was the show SQL button I could set up some task to do and then have a look at the SQL that was going to happen so I could better understand it.

I am sure when we start seeing more Oracle up on Win2K we will see a lot more scripting on that side to do those mixed OS and SQLPlus tasks.

Peter McLarty
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At 03:56 AM 27/06/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>On June 27, 2001 07:55 am, Mark Leith wrote:
> > slapping developers - what's the problem with them?
>
>No problem slapping developers.... rather enjoy it actually ....
>
>The issue I have with point & click is the increasing number of
>database admins who can only use these tools. Put them in front of a
>command line and they will sit and stare blankly. GUI tools can be
>great (except when they're written in java :), but you should
>actually know what you are doing and the 'how & why' behind it before
>you start clicking a database to death.
>
>Just my cynical $.02.
>Cheers,
>GC
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