RE: OT RE: 24 x 7 on NT?

No doubt that came from your redhat Linux box cause you wanted to dabble in playing with a real os (and I'm certainly not saying that rh isn't crap), till you found out that it was too "hard" cause you couldn't use your mouse on a console (ok, gdm, but nm that). Yet you probably tell others that you've used both extensively and find NT to be the "better" :) Why? cause you got a 2.2 kernel to install on a referb dell box? When you priorities become io throughput, domain utilization, rebuilding your rt scheduler to handle the demand of certain applications, fail-over on 10 million dollar machines, and multipathing to arrays that have more computing power than your whole fleet of NT boxes, instead of getting a smile cause you "figured" out how to point and click your way to happiness w/ windows Active directory or IIS, then you can mock me :)

Thanks,
jon

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• Scott Adams

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mohan, Ross wrote:

> :)
> You caught me, Jon. Your numeric perspicacity and
> penetrating, thoughtful analysis of the NT development
> effort has really got me re-evaluating my operating
> system worldview.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Allen [mailto:jon_at_slurpee.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:56 PM
> To: Mohan, Ross
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: OT RE: 24 x 7 on NT?
>
>
> why doesnt anyone just compare the platforms that the respective nt/unix
> versions run on? I dont really care for intel from square one, much less a
> proprietary bloated, over marketed, under reliable software to run on top
> of it :) I think it just boils down to... you cant admin a unix system
> properly if you dont care, and if you care, you dont want to admin NT, so
> all that NT has behind it is a bunch of non-caring hs dropouts who got
> their mcse and are working on a cisco certification. Not saying that linux
> hasnt brought a slew of script kiddies into the unix melting pot... but
> atleast they atempt to care and are easy to manage "time to apply some
> patches before some script kiddies nail my ass" :) Are you sure that there
> arent a few extra digits in that uptime there bud? ;) We could invent more
> reasonable values that pre-epoch (hell, even pre-digital computer) in the
> future.
>
> Thanks,
> jon
>
>
> "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armor to
> lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the
> fact that it was he who, by peddling second- rate technology, led them into
> it in the first place."
>
> -- Douglas Adams
>
> "If you have trouble sounding condescending, find a Unix user to show you
> how it's done."
>
> -- Scott Adams
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mohan, Ross wrote:
>
> > Here's my Unix box:
> >
> > # uptime
> > 12:09 pm up 32,245 days, 1:01, 14543 users, load average: 120.19,
> > 430.48, 3450.70
> >
> > Here's my NT box:
> >
> > # uptime
> > 12:09 pm up 1 days, 1:01, 1 users, load average: 0.019, 0.008,
> 0.00070
> >
> >
> > So, obviously, NT sucks. <dusting off hands>.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:16 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Well, my UNIX box would probably run forever except that the DDS3 tape
> > changer can't seem to last a whole year without breaking. Need to shut the
> > machine down to replace the tape changer. I'm hoping to get lucky this
> year.
> > Only 120 days till victory!
> >
> > # uptime
> > 12:09 pm up 245 days, 1:01, 4 users, load average: 0.19, 0.48, 0.70
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:26 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001,Mohan, Ross scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> >
> > ->I agree with His Chrisness on this one.
> > ->
> > ->If the avg(NT Admin) > avg(Unix Admin), we'd
> > ->all be reading this mail on Window's boxes.
> > ->Er.....what I mean to say is......
> > ->
> > -><sly grin>
> > ->
> > ->but, in all seriousness....when there is a way
> > ->to find a *very good* NT admin out of all the
> > ->Wendy's employees, then NT boxes will be up
> > ->4 or 5 nines, easy.
> > ->
> > ->Besides guys, "five nines" means you're down
> > ->about FIVE MINUTES a year.
> > ->
> > ->Now, how many of the Unix boxes on this list
> > ->have done that this year? I bet less than
> > ->one percent.
> >
> > well, then there must be a whole lot of unix boxes out there because we've
> > got 40 of them right here. i'd say all of my 32 databases have been up
> that
> > much too, but i've only had 25 of them up a whole year.;-) yup, i know
> i've
> > been lucky.
> >
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