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RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

From: Rachel Carmichael <carmichr_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:48:36 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0032183A.20010607170555@fatcity.com> 






thank you, I am glad you think that it is a good book (and there are things 
in there for experienced DBAs as well).



and I said that $100/hr was low :)



don't forget the additional taxes you'll owe on that $40,000, that's part of 
it. and even if I cleared the entire $40K, that's not exactly a LOT of 
money, not enough to let me retire.



I don't know which author told you it was easier to find projects, I was 
told by one that while the DBAs knew his name, the problem was management 
didn't -- and they are the ones who make the final decision.



In any case, this discussion is starting to overwhelm the list, and that's 
not fair to the others.



I wish you luck in writing and self-publishing a book... and do let us know 
when it makes you a millionaire




>From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>

>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

>Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:59:09 -0800

>

>I am not talking about getting rich. $100/hr is not near rich in my 

>opinion.

>What I am talking about is to get as much money as possible for one's work.

>Now, I do not know how many copies of your book DBA 101 were sold (by the

>way in my opinion very good book - regretfully it was published a little

>late for me). If you were getting 33% of sales, and average price will be

>$25 - it means that you could get about $8 for copy. If you could sell 5000

>books -it is $40000 etc. Also compensation is not only royalty. As I was

>told by one of Oracle book authors it is much easier to negotiate rates,

>find projects etc. This comparison between self publishing and using

>publishers is the same as between FTE and contractors. Contractors make 

>more

>money but should be ready that the contract will be canceled at any time

>without notice. And then it can take couple of months depending on the

>market and one's rate to find another one.

>

>Alex Hillman

>

>-----Original Message-----

>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 5:14 PM

>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

>

>

>let's see, I think Dad paid something on the order of $10K to publish his

>book (about 100 copies). Of course, it was a hard-cover edition.

>

>and editors don't come cheap.

>

>Alex -- how much money do you really think an author makes on a book???

>

>I'd figure that the average book (and technical books have to be updated

>about every 18 months) takes about 500 hours to write (this is a number

>Kevin Loney has come up with and I'm willing to believe him, given his

>experience)

>

>So... as a consultant let's say I work cheap (in NY anyway) for $100/hr

>

>500 hours over a 40 hour week = 12.5 weeks or about 3 months

>

>so.... 500*100 = $50,000  for 3 months, or $200,000 over a year

>

>THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL YOU MAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS AN AUTHOR!!!


>

>Damn it, best-selling authors don't make that kind of money.

>

>Geez, wake up and smell the coffee, technical writing is NOT done to get

>rich.

>

>

>

> >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>

> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

> >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 12:11:00 -0800

> >

> >I am sure that any of working DBA's have this money to put up front. I

> >don't

> >think that risk to invest in the book is more than in the stock market.

> >Also

> >what is the problem to hire editor (especially not technical). Should not

> >be

> >too expencive. Of cource it is more work, but one can get much more 

>money.

> >

> >Alex Hillman

> >

> >-----Original Message-----

> >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 3:26 PM

> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> >

> >

> >self-publishing houses charge you to publish the book (yes, they do, 

>that's

> >how my father-in-law published his book)

> >

> >I also doubt that they give you much in the way of help in editing your

> >book, so that if your English is not good (as the case of the author that

> >Jonathan is working with) you end up with an unreadable book.

> >

> >

> > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>

> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com

> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>

> > >Subject: RE: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

> > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 07:45:49 -0800

> > >

> > >I would one of self-publishing houses like Technion where you can get 

>33%

> > >of

> > >sales.

> > >If your book is any good it will sell in the same volume as with any

> >other

> > >publisher (not that they spend a lot of money for promotion any way).

> > >

> > >Alex Hillman

> > >

> > >-----Original Message-----

> > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:31 AM

> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

> > >

> > >

> > >First would be to prepare and send a synopsis to the

> > >'big name' oracle publishers - O'Reilly, Wrox and the

> > >like..

> > >

> > >hth

> > >connor

> > >

> > >--- Jim Hawkins <jhawkins_at_primary.net> wrote: > All,

> > > >

> > > > I am very interested in collaborating with others in

> > > > the writing of an

> > > > Oracle technical book (DBA subject matter).  I am

> > > > interested in how those of

> > > > you who have done this (ala Rachel), got started or

> > > > made the right

> > > > connections.  I do have a somewhat literary

> > > > background, so I know I can do

> > > > this.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > Jim Hawkins

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