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RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

From: Rachel Carmichael <carmichr_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:48:15 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0032189F.20010607172054@fatcity.com>

I never said what he MADE on the book, just what it cost to publish -- which as Alex has said about other things, is public knowledge because the publisher gives out their rates

>From: schmoldt_at_fyiowa.com
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
>Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:56:01 -0800
>
>But you had no problem giving out your father's self-publishing finances.
><ducking> :-)
>
>I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie;
>should
>a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, around
>$10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your
>mileage
>may vary, etc.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:44 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> >
> >
> > sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I
> > supply those,
> > then I am making public my finances... which are no one's
> > business but mine,
> > the IRS and my accountant
> >
> > and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then
> > certainly indirectly.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800
> > >
> > >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude
> > - LOL). I did
> > >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post.
> > But if you decide
> > >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well
> > that it depends.
> > >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info
> > about somebody
> > >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it
> > >difficult.
> > >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US
> > brokerage, have
> > >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will
> > cost only couple
> > >of hundred dollars to find all this info.
> > >So please relax and be happy.
> > >
> > >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's
> > belief in the
> > >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the
> > book, the selling
> > >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate.
> > >
> > >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on
> > how to set your
> > >init.ora parameters -- "it depends"
> > >
> > >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author
> > can usually get
> > >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the
> > number of books
> > >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes
> > (upwards usually)
> > >
> > >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold:
> > a bookstore
> > >for
> > >
> > >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book
> > club, domestic
> > >sales
> > >
> > >vs foreign sales.
> > >
> > >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to
> > split this money
> > >up.
> > >
> > >Reading a royalty statement is an art.
> > >
> > >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not
> > asking you for a
> > >loan, my personal finances are none of your business.
> > >
> > >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>
> > > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> > > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked
> > several years
> > >ago
> > > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and
> > answered something
> > > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase
> > is a public
> > > >record
> > > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't
> > use it) can get
> > > >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here -
> > somehow everybody
> > > >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a
> > book, however
> > > >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what
> > percentages you
> > > >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc.
> > You should go
> > > >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would
> > like to ask
> > > >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask
> > usually what is
> > >the
> > > >range this position is paying and usually people do not
> > have problem to
> > > >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my
> > opinion to do self
> > > >publishing.
> > > >
> > > >Alex Hillman
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jonathan,
> > > >
> > > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a
> > book. For me, the
> > > >reasons are:
> > > >
> > > >1. Credibility with peers / clients
> > > >2. Sense of accomplishment
> > > >3. Enjoy sharing information with people
> > > >4. Some extra cash
> > > >
> > > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the
> > reason that I would
> > > >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I
> > >certainly
> > > >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal
> > finances...but could
> > > >you
> > > >give us some indication / range of what an author could
> > expect to receive
> > > >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and
> > > >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book
> > deals typically
> > > >structured?
> > > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Ed Haskins
> > > >Oracle DBA
> > > >Verizon Wireless
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote:
> > > >CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :)
> > > >
> > > >Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to
> > > >predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the
> > > >time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes
> > > >it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low
> > > >expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly
> > > >surprised.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards,
> > > >
> > > >Jonathan Gennick
> > > >mailto:jonathan_at_gennick.com * 906.387.1698
> > > >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com *
> > >http://MetalDrums.org
> > > >
> > > >
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