RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

Yeah, I think they've got a retention problem, since the money is better outside, and consultants have a good idea of what they're being billed for. But the internal resources are great, as are their internal email lists.

Of course, now we've got much of their internal stuff on metalink - if you can get access - and the odtug lists and oracle-l are right up there too.

All in all, I liked working there very very much, and if they'd been able to keep up with what the market was offering I never would have left. And for those of us looking now, we know where the market is going, and Oracle's salaries are getting more in line with everyone else's anyway.

(Boy, am I rambling or what? I've got a migraine, the fiorinal didn't do it's usual magic, and I really ought to go home.)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:08 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...
>
>
> Oracle charges for such guys 250-350 an hour and pay them 50-90K/year
> (15-20% bonus and 4 weeks of training per year). I would say
> that Oracle DBA
> knowing what he or she is doing can make more money in consulting.
>
> Alex Hillman
>
> PS. It would be very useful if US participants of this list
> post their
> rates or salaries on www.realrates.com - it is fully
> anonimous. Also there
> is very interesting contractors BBS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:36 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Yosi,
>
> I interviewed for one of those jobs here in Boston, MA.
> Although there
> was
> one VERY good individual in the bunch I was a little perplexed by the
> others.
> Most were very junior and had not been in an outside shop
> before, one was
> straight out of school and bootcamp and only one had done a
> real recovery.
> It
> also hit me as strange that other than the smart guy, none of
> them had ever
> created a database from scratch. Thankfully I did not take the job.
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: "Gene Sais" <Gsais_at_co.palm-beach.fl.us>
> Date: 5/25/2001 11:52 AM
>
> From experience, I have used consultants from Oracle. The
> 1st one sent was
> right out of DBA school. We sent him back after 1 week. At
> that time,
> Oracle
> didn't allow you to interview their DBA's. According to
> Oracle, they were
> all
> good. The 2nd DBA Oracle sent had only NT experience, never
> been on a Unix
> machine. Ok, sent him back too. By this time, we were about
> to give up,
> then
> Oracle sent DBA #3 and she was sharp. The moral of the
> story, Oracle will
> send
> the juniors 1st b/c they save the good ones for the 3rd strike :)
>
>
> >>> Yosi_at_comhill.com 05/25/01 03:01PM >>>
> I was once one of those superior i-dba consultants. I was pretty good,
> and as with this list, some of my colleagues were amazingly talented,
> knowledgable and great to work with. Others were, well, others.
>
> It's lots of fun to ridicule, disparage, deride, belittle, and mock
> Oracle Consulting, and don't even get me started about Oracle Support,
> and I do this all the time too, I just want to put in a good word
> for SOME of my old friends.
>
> Have a great weekend.
>
> Yosi
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PD Miller [mailto:millerp_at_caribdata.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:58 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...
> >
> >
> > I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a
> site by some
> > of Oracle's 'superior' consultants!
> >
> > At 8:27 -0800 25/5/01, Gary Weber wrote:
> > >Far as their "superior" i-dba team, I sure hope those are
> different
> > >people from the ones you get on first line of Support...
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Paul Miller
> > --
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> >
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