RE: Steve Adam's Removal

TGIF !!  

• Kirti

It is never friday when you are working on the weekends to get a product out.

"Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if both are frozen."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Fuelspot

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 1:08 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

According to a comment posted there, Rachel Carmichael is a spammer too !!

Sure, Rachel "The Spammer Goddess" Carmichael, posts nothing but some junk recipes ....

(How about 'Cooking 101 for DBAs to go with your 'junk' recipes, Racheal? Sounds like there will be a few takers ;)

TGIF !!  

• Kirti

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hillman, Alex [SMTP:Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:10 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Steve Adam's Removal
>
> What is the purpose of subscibing to Lazydba list at all?. I subscribed
> sometime ago and in several months unsubscribed. There are only couple of
> people who know what they are talking about and a lot of them on this
> list.
> Number of cluless questions tremendows etc. Again, my impressions from
> about
> a year ago. But I think nothing changed. However it would be intersting to
> read selected lines from Henry's e-mails which Steve picked up and and
> what
> was main Steve's sin. Of cource mentioning his website in his e-mail it is
> something uconsionable and unprovoked :-)
> Why would anybody do it when they already have www.lazydba.com - I don't
> understand it.
>
> Alex Hillman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:11 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Yeah, amoung the complaints I saw against me where.
>
>
> 1. I plugged my website (which I make no money, and provided for the
> benefit for others)
> 2. Two my emails were too long (I obviously spent too much time
> answering)
> 3. Someone would come back and there would be 30 emails from me
> (Obviously
> I answered too many questions)
> 4. I would just say "i agree" at times (I guess backing up someone's
> comment and basically saying I couldn't said it better and I would only
> repeat his answer to strengthen it).
>
> This is all after I left from hearing about Henry's plot. Now someone on
> this list has already posted someone on the board saying I am only
> plugging
> my site, yet I have answered around 30 questions in less than 3 days.
> Granted I try to get people to look at my site so they may find something
> to
> help them. Shame on me.
> The funniest thing is there is 1500 or so list members on the other list,
> 30-50 of them post answers, 1450-1470 just post questions. I have yet to
> see the 30-50 of the complain about the same issues or much of anything.
>
> People don't understand it takes time to answer these emails and we have
> better things to do. We do this because we want to help people, with all
> the barage of crap from people, it makes you want to just not bother.
>
> As such, my site will be unavailable due to it's helpful nature.
>
> "Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
> both are frozen."
>
> Christopher R. Spence
> Oracle DBA
> Fuelspot
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:17 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I guess the lazy DBAs got tired of reading Oracle Internals. They just
> want
> simple answers. :)
>
> Richard Ji
>
> >>> carmichr_at_hotmail.com 05/25/01 07:15AM >>>
> you're right -- Henry isn't the list owner here in any case.
>
> For those of you who want to discuss this, Henry set up a discussion forum
>
> on the lazydba site.
>
> AFAIK, Steve is still a member of Oracle-L :)
>
>
> >From: Robertson Lee - lerobe <lerobe_at_acxiom.co.uk>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: Steve Adam's Removal
> >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:16:06 -0800
> >
> >Erm... am I missing something but wasn't the original mail removing Steve
> >Adams from the lazydba discussion list and not this one ??
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Lee
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: 25 May 2001 10:56
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Dear Henry,
> >
> > Please reconsider this issue !!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >I am sure there are many-many more who want to request not
> >to remove Steve and would support my mail, but are afraid
> >that other's mail-box would fill up by these request only..
> > To be frank & honest, he is the only list member who
> >has a folder in my outlook( I am not offending any-body
> >else)........
> > Seriously ... please dont' do this........
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >Rajesh
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:26 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >i hope this thread is still alive.... and my reply makes it to the
> >list...
> >
> >by removing Steve from the list , we all will miss the insight into
> >oracle
> >internals,
> >which he provided , thru his answers and the links (plugs ? ) to his
> >website..
> >
> >many threads would end when Steve provides his explanation/answer, this
> >show
> >
> >the respect posters have for his knowledge or Oracle.
> >
> >please reconsider
> >
> >Regards
> >Rahul
> >
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Suhen Pather[SMTP:Suhen.Pather_at_strandbags.com.au]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:36 AM
> > > To: LazyDBA.com Discussion
> > > Subject: RE: Steve Adam's Removal
> > >
> > > Henry, List
> > >
> > > I second you on this one.
> > > I respect Henry being the list owner, having authority to do as he
> > > pleases.
> > >
> > > ORACLE -L is possibly the best Oracle list out there,and has brought
> >so
> > > many
> > >
> > > Oracle professionals together, but lets not lose our experts.
> > >
> > > Please reconsider the removal of Steve Adams from the list.
> > >
> > > He takes up lots of his time to answer performance related questions
> > > posted by list members with precise actions to be taken and great
> > > explanations.
> > >
> > > He is an invaluable member to the Oracle world and his expertise,
> > > generosity
> > > will
> > > surely be missed if he removed.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards and pls reconsider
> > > Suhen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > List,
> > >
> > > While I respect Henry's authority as list owner to remove people from
> >the
> > > list, and the need to do so when people are breaking the rules, I
> >would
> > > like
> > > to protest the removal of Steve Adams. He is one of the top experts
> >in
> > > Oracle internals in the world, and he was gracious enough to take time
> >to
> > > answer people's questions on the list.
> > >
> > > I am not sure what he ever did that was thought to be spamming, except
> > > answer people's questions. He has a link to his website in his
> >signature,
> > > and often his answers were links to a place on his site where he had
> > > already
> > > answered that question. I don't see what's wrong with that, none of
> >it
> > > seems to violate the rules of the list.
> > >
> > > If it was a matter of one or two people complaining about Steve's
> >posts,
> > > perhaps the list should have been asked. I can only hope that the
> > > overwhelming majority understood Steve's method of answering questions
> >and
> > > were not annoyed with it.
> > >
> > > The show now knows a lot less about Oracle Internal Services.
> > >
> > > Reed Sutton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Henry O'Keeffe [mailto:mbzf96_at_dial.pipex.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:58 AM
> > > To: LazyDBA.com Discussion
> > > Subject: Re: Spamming the list
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm afraid, you'll actually have to leave the list Steve. Picking
> >lines
> > > from
> > > private emails sent between us, and presenting them out of context
> >isn't
> > > something that most people would have expected from you. I'm sorry
> >that
> > > it's
> > > had to come to this.
> > >
> > > Indeed, the show will go on.
> > >
> > > Goodbye.
> > > Henry.
> > >
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