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At least on Solaris, when you install 9iAS it installs the whole kit and kaboodle, based on 3 fairly generic options (HTTP server only, Standard Edition, and Enterprise Edition, there is no custom option :-p ). The only choice you have is whether or not you want to configure now or later. If you want forms/reports, you have to install Enterprise. Theoretically you're supposed to be able to go through the installer and select products you want to remove (I assume that it will let you reinstall them), but since forms/reports is based on 806 and the old installer it just shows them to you and won't let you select them for deinstall.
The recommendation for quite awhile has been to put developer in it's own oracle home, away from the database. Seems to me I remember one combination where if you installed them to the same home svrmgrl wouldn't work.
I'm still mucking around with this. Because I had to remove (renamed actually) the oraInventory in order to be able to reinstall I've lost the inventory info for the database. But at this point I've installed 9iAS first, then the db and separately had the db exist and installed 9iAS. Again, it's Solaris, not NT. Given the registry entries for NT I would hazard a bet that installing 9iAS et al first might be a very good idea. Oh, this reminds me, it will install a database for you (for database caching I believe), based off of the 9iAS oracle home.....
My next project is to search through the mailing list archives for oraInventory emails. There's gotta be a better way to deal with this beast! (although removing it does give me an iota of satisfaction).
Linda
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:32 AM
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Oracle responded as follows, when I asked them about that statement re. the Oracle home:
If you are going to install 9iAS-Enerprise edition on Unix then there is no problem but if you are going to install it on windows then it should be in a separate Oracle_home as documented in the release note. 9iAS-Enterprise edition has oracle developer server 6i and as you know that 6i-production should be installed to the default oracle home.
I think I read somewhere that the Forms 6I home is compatible with 8.0.6, that would explain why it should not go in the same oracle_home as iAS or as the database... if the database is not 8.0.6..
I guess that means - install iAS as best you can, in a separate Oracle_home. Then, install Forms and Reports Server separately later if you can, if you couldn't exclude it using the Custom installation option.
I am preparing an SOP for installing 8.1.7 on NT now, building the one for iAS will prove interesting... it almost sounds as if I should install Forms and Reports 6i before I install the database!
Thanks for the reply.
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Seley, Linda [SMTP:LSeley_at_IQNavigator.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:21 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 8.1.7. and OAS / iAS versions confusion (update
9iAS is a royal pain in the keister. Course I just spent 2 16 hour days
trying to uninstall the Forms and Reports piece and reinstall it from the
9iAS CDs (can't be done from what I can see, have to uninstall all of 9iAS),
so it's not my favorite thing. We have it installed on Solaris. I didn't
install 9iAS in what I would consider my 'default' oracle home but it worked
none-the-less. My take on it is that they want 9iAS to be your main oracle
home but any databases you have need to be in a different directory
structure. Seems odd to me since 'home' is where you are at the
moment
but.... Under the 9iAS oracle home it creates the 6iserver oracle
home for
forms/reports. And yes, forms/reports do use the old installer.
The
orainst and orainst.cm files under 6iserver are not executable, if
you want
to run them you have to change them but they'll work then. 9iAS
itself uses
oraInventory, which I've come to have a strong dislike for.
HTH
Linda
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:35 AM
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feedback
f rom
FYI,
Oracle Support responded as follows:
23-MAY-01 15:16:30
It looks to me that there are some misunderstanding regarding Oracle
product
and components. Let me try to explain it to you.
- We don't have ideal pairs for any products from the usage point of
view.
Forms and reports product managers trying to set certain dates for
the new
releases that may match with certain RDBMS but it doesn't mean that
it only
works with this certain release. Care managers try to ship a bundle
of new
products together for client to try it and decide if he wants to go
to those
new versions. As an example we used to ship oracle 8i, developer 6i,
oem
2.x, OAS 4.0.8.x together. No we ship IAS 1.0.2 with Apache, Oracle
8.1.7,
OEM, Forms and reports 6i, discoverer 4i together but it doesn't
mean that
forms and reports 6i doesn't work with 8.0.x database. For an
example
Unfortunately, it ids not possible to have one page for all the
combinations. To get a certification for a certain product you have
to check
the certfication for each one separately.
Regarding the Forms and Reports 6i installer, which is the old
installer,
that's true as forms and reports 6i uses Resource support files for
Oracle
8.0.6 as well as the PL/SQL 8.0.6 so it is required to use the old
installer
and it is installed to 806 home in case that yu have installed it as
a
component of IAS.
An advise when you try to install IAS 1.0.2.x you have to install it
to the
default oracle_home.
Hope this answers your questions.
Note that they are recommending we place iAS in the default
oracle_home.
The iAS installation manual, p. 3-5, says:
Note: Be sure not to install Oracle9I Application Server in an ORACLE_HOME
containing other Oracle products, including the database. Such an
installation could overwrite shared components, causing the products
to
malfunction.
I am trying to get clarification on this now based on my previous
tar (which
they soft closed already), if that doesn't work I'll just have to
log
another TAR...
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Perkowitz [SMTP:mperkowitz_at_twjconsulting.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 4:34 PM
To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com; BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
Subject: Re: 8.1.7. and OAS / iAS versions confusion
9i iAS == 8i OAS. Oracle renamed 8i 1.0 to 9i 1.0. Version
numbers
are
consistent.
Marc Perkowitz
Senior Consultant
TWJ Consulting, LLP
847-256-8866 x15
www.twjconsulting.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:27 AM
Subject: 8.1.7. and OAS / iAS versions confusion
OK, now I'm puzzled.
About 3 weeks ago Oracle mailed me a copy of 8.1.7. at home,
along
with the
9i iAS.
The iAS documentation refers to 8i OAS (version 1.0.1), it
says we
can
"migrate" from 8i OAS to iAS.
Does this mean if I had installed 8i OAS (v. 1.0.1), I could
apply a
patch
to bring it up to v.1.02 (9i iAS?)
Is iAS iAS, or is it OAS?? If iAS is not OAS, why do they
have the
same
version numbers?
Does iAS go with 8.1.7, or 9i?
If 8i OAS goes with 8.1.7, how come Oracle never sent me a
copy of
8i OAS?
Weren't they excited about that product as well?
When we receive the media for 8.1.7 here, will we receive
from
Oracle 8i OAS
to go with it, or 9i iAS?
When Oracle 9i is released, will there be another version of
iAS to
go along
with it?
I wish the versions matched, but I guess when you're a big
company
it's hard
to release the different packages in synch.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
<mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
Ph: (902) 426-4774
-----Original Message-----
From: CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)
[SMTP:clchan_at_nie.edu.sg]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:26 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
I wish that I could be like some of U where your job is to
solely
tune/backup database etc. Although I am a "DBA", I feel that
I am a
5% DBA
and 95% developer. I've just migrated our in-house
customized
System to the
newly acquired Oracle HR System (oracle workflow). In top
of that,
I am
also maintaining certain in-house Oracle systems. 95% of my
time is
spent on
development.
I think that it's great to learn so many tools, Oracle
Workflow,
Forms,
Reports, Graphics etc but I wish that I have more time to
tune the
database.
Besides, cloning database, backup database, applying oracle
patches
to the
HR System, all of my time is spent in development.
Regds,
New DBA
-----Original Message-----
From: Boivin, Patrice J
[mailto:BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on
them!)
I don't know about this development business. I
think about
this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee
(which is
dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of
them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and
be good
at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a
team of
people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding
developers,
each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who
can do a
little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas
of
expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum
of its
parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you
will end
up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL
Server,
DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do
contracts and
drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once
I am
confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work
would run
on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des
systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de
l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes,
MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
<mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Spence
[SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More
on
them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and
development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find
a job
but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of
opportunities but
will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot
of them
want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in
salary
between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much
home
free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about
2 of
very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless
you
have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my
dedication
and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short
period of
time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as
there are
many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in
comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it
to
become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with
developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the
task
depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you
want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a
crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when
things are
slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything,
it is
always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs
out
there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if
you can
do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your
recruiter
and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the
door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door,
many
people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able
to do
both.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi!..
Can someone please help me?
I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half
years
and now the recruiters 'complain' that I
have
not done any 'designing or development'.
Can someone please advise on 'where do I go
from
here'?
Thanks
PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such
advise, cos
their 'worldview' starts and ends with
OCP.
which I find recruiters 'barely
notice'!!!!!
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From:Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com>
Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800
Subject:recruiters. Aargh
Funny story from earlier this week. I've
been
pestered by a
recruiter making
cold calls who is trying to get me to hire
an Oracle
Developer. I
told her
we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he
walked on
water, and we
couldn't
pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and
told
her I would look
at it. Of
course the resume was nothing special. When
I told
her "the resume
does not
warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I
could
almost hear the
lightbulb
popping above her head as she contemplated
the next
call to our
switchboard.
"Warren, is that the name of your manager?"
she
asked. bye bye.
Henry
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