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I wish that I could be like some of U where your job is to solely tune/backup database etc. Although I am a "DBA", I feel that I am a 5% DBA and 95% developer. I've just migrated our in-house customized System to the newly acquired Oracle HR System (oracle workflow). In top of that, I am also maintaining certain in-house Oracle systems. 95% of my time is spent on development.
I think that it's great to learn so many tools, Oracle Workflow, Forms, Reports, Graphics etc but I wish that I have more time to tune the database. Besides, cloning database, backup database, applying oracle patches to the HR System, all of my time is spent in development.
Regds,
New DBA
-----Original Message-----
From: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
I don't know about this development business. I think about
this a lot (I
don't have a life).
I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is
dead I hear),
Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
There is just too much for one person to learn and be good
at both sides, in
my opinion.
If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of
people which is
composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers,
each good in their
own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a
little of
everything.
When you put specialists together with clear areas of
expertise, in a team,
you may end up with something greater than the sum of its
parts (gestalt).
If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end
up with... a
workgroup and OK result. Probably.
As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server,
DB2, and others,
and in OSes than in doing development.
That's just my personal preference.
Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and
drive a Porsche
like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am
confident I know
enough about the foundation my development work would run
on...
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
Technology Services | Services technologiques
Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
<mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Spence
[SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on
them!)
As a dba you don't have to do designing and
development. You will
find
though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.
1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job
but everyone wants
to
waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but
will fall short
for
"senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them
want you for
midlevel
positions (based on offered salary).
To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary
between a 5 year
dba and
20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home
free (I am yet to
hit it as
I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of
very solid work).
The
first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you
have something
special
someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication
and tenacity not
my length
of service.
I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of
time, and I
have
detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are
many things
involved with
Oracle and in my opinion very few people in
comparison to the amount
of
dba's out there actually put effort into it to
become better.
Traits I feel are important:
1. Hunger, desire to be the best
2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
3. Ability to bend for developers when the task
depends on it
4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
5. Desire to read things just because you want to
6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
7. Motivation to better yourself when things are
slow and
everything is
working (hardly ever)
8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is
always a database
problem
unless proved otherwise.
Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out
there for 2 year
dba's, but
your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can
do anything
with them
after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter
and your resume
is what
is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.
I happen to be better once I am in the door, many
people happen to
be better
at getting in the door. You have to be able to do
both.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Hi!..
Can someone please help me?
I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years
and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have
not done any 'designing or development'.
Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from
here'?
Thanks
PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos
their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP.
which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!!!!!
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Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com> wrote:
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From:Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com>
Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800
Subject:recruiters. Aargh
Funny story from earlier this week. I've been
pestered by a
recruiter making
cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle
Developer. I
told her
we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on
water, and we
couldn't
pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told
her I would look
at it. Of
course the resume was nothing special. When I told
her "the resume
does not
warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could
almost hear the
lightbulb
popping above her head as she contemplated the next
call to our
switchboard.
"Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she
asked. bye bye.
Henry
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