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Um, I like this idea with one addition...
you need a generalist to RUN that team of specialists.. someone who has the ability to at least understand at a high level what the specialists do/say and to integrate them all together so that one's work doesn't step on the others.
In other words, I consider myself the "primary care physician" for my databases.
>From: "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
>Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 06:06:11 -0800
>
>I don't know about this development business. I think about this a lot (I
>don't have a life).
>
>I keep an eye on Developer, Jdeveloper, Cherokee (which is dead I hear),
>Visual C++, etc. etc. but I am not great at any of them.
>
>There is just too much for one person to learn and be good at both sides,
>in
>my opinion.
>
>If I had a project to handle I would prefer hiring a team of people which
>is
>composed of outstanding DBAs and outstanding developers, each good in their
>own field, rather than hire a bunch of people who can do a little of
>everything.
>
>When you put specialists together with clear areas of expertise, in a team,
>you may end up with something greater than the sum of its parts (gestalt).
>
>If you put a bunch of OK generalists together, you will end up with... a
>workgroup and OK result. Probably.
>
>As a DBA I am more interested in learning about SQL Server, DB2, and
>others,
>and in OSes than in doing development.
>
>That's just my personal preference.
>
>Maybe if I was a great developer I could do contracts and drive a Porsche
>like my NT instructor did, I don't know. Maybe once I am confident I know
>enough about the foundation my development work would run on...
>
>Regards,
>Patrice Boivin
>Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
>
>Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
>Technology Services | Services technologiques
>Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique
>Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO
>
>E-Mail: boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca <mailto:boivinp_at_mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:45 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)
>
> As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will
>find
> though 2 years is tough.
> Here is my assessment.
>
> 1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants
>to
> waste your times in interviews
> 3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short
>for
> "senior" positions
> 6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for
>midlevel
> positions (based on offered salary).
>
> To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year
>dba and
> 20 years.
> Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to
>hit it as
> I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work).
>The
> first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something
>special
> someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not
>my length
> of service.
>
> I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I
>have
> detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
> You have to have a certain something as there are many things
>involved with
> Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount
>of
> dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.
>
> Traits I feel are important:
>
> 1. Hunger, desire to be the best
> 2. Ability to stand your ground with developers
> 3. Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
> 4. Ability to stare at a book for hours
> 5. Desire to read things just because you want to
> 6. Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
> 7. Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and
>everything is
> working (hardly ever)
> 8. Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database
>problem
> unless proved otherwise.
>
> Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year
>dba's, but
> your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything
>with them
> after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume
>is what
> is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.
>
> I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to
>be better
> at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Hi!..
>
> Can someone please help me?
>
> I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years
> and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have
> not done any 'designing or development'.
>
> Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'?
>
> Thanks
>
> PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos
> their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP.
> which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!!!!!
>
> ------------- Original Message --------------
> Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com> wrote:
> To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> From:Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com>
> Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800
> Subject:recruiters. Aargh
>
> Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a
>recruiter making
> cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I
>told her
> we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we
>couldn't
> pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look
>at it. Of
> course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume
>does not
> warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the
>lightbulb
> popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our
>switchboard.
> "Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye.
>
> Henry
>
>
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